It's not about reading slander as black and white. If you're a pedophile and get called a pedophile, I'm not going to apply a vio. If you're not a pedophile and get called a pedophile, I'm not going to apply a vio. If you want someone to get in trouble for calling you a pedophile, feel free to appeal and hope another mod doesn't agree with me.
jamal reminded me that you still never defined slander did you
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Because of Ayd i honestly believed Jamal was both gay and a pedophile that harasses women. I naturally assume those facts about most users anyways, but Ayd really sold it.
That's funny because in chat you said that's not true and how jamal is our savior etc and how you worship him?? Did you hit your head buddy?
That is precisely what slander does. If friends or people who think fondly of you hear a bogus story of something as terrible as or pedophilia, then of course they will question you and of course they could turn their back on you.
Slander is making false and damaging statements about someone. This is what happened and these are the effects.
So you didn't claim to be older than 19 in those skype logs? and you didn't send your to someone underage?
Because of Ayd i honestly believed Jamal was both gay and a pedophile that harasses women. I naturally assume those facts about most users anyways, but Ayd really sold it.
That's funny because in chat you said that's not true and how jamal is our savior etc and how you worship him?? Did you hit your head buddy?
That is precisely what slander does. If friends or people who think fondly of you hear a bogus story of something as terrible as or pedophilia, then of course they will question you and of course they could turn their back on you.
Slander is making false and damaging statements about someone. This is what happened and these are the effects.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
Demonstrable harm was being caused. You agree that what the user in question did was slander, now you can apply it the set of rules provided here: https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules
I know, it's hard to figure out what fits. It's like that game we all played as children where we have to make the shape fit into the corresponding hole. Does the square go in the circle or the triangle hole?
Do slanderous comments make someone worthy of receiving a trolling violation? I don't know. How about copied mechanics? Oh no, this is pretty difficult -- I see how you initially had troubles.
Thankfully we have user cub who linked us directly to the violations that given to users who spew slanderous accusations. Now that she narrowed it down for us, we can find out where the square fits.
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I think it is also important we bring this back for you to present your case of how the incident that occurred was not harassment or slander despite it fitting your definition of slander. What is your definition of harassment?
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Because of Ayd i honestly believed Jamal was both gay and a pedophile that harasses women. I naturally assume those facts about most users anyways, but Ayd really sold it.
That's funny because in chat you said that's not true and how jamal is our savior etc and how you worship him?? Did you hit your head buddy?
If you think it is the job of moderators to enforce rules in a black and white manner, then I don't do my job. But it's funny because you spent so much time criticizing that mentality just a few posts ago.
it's funny because you read slander in black and white, and you enforce it based on that black and white interpretation
so that is what you do
i think it's your job to know what is and is not against the rules, not blanket assert that everything "mean" is free speech when defamation is both "mean" and actually very clearly against the rules and for good reason: it's illegal
Because of Ayd i honestly believed Jamal was both gay and a pedophile that harasses women. I naturally assume those facts about most users anyways, but Ayd really sold it.
So where do YOU draw the line for slander and harassment? Clearly false accusations of and pedophilia come nowhere near that line for you, so what does? Is the harassment rule one you even enforce?
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
ok, so why is slander against the rules? are you just not going to enforce the rules because you think you know better than the rules? you're not the rule maker, you're the rule enforcer, you don't moderate based on what rules you agree with you moderate based on the rules
I don't know why it's against the rules. Yes, I will choose to apply leniency where I think it deserves to be shown. Like I said on the first page, I'm a judicial activist.
So you are saying you use your moderator privileges to be selectively harsh on certain users and selectively lenient on other users?
Not selectively, consistently.
Like I said on the first page, I'm a judicial activist.
so i guess that's code for "i don't do my job"
If you think it is the job of moderators to enforce rules in a black and white manner, then I don't do my job. But it's funny because you spent so much time criticizing that mentality just a few posts ago.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
ok, so why is slander against the rules? are you just not going to enforce the rules because you think you know better than the rules? you're not the rule maker, you're the rule enforcer, you don't moderate based on what rules you agree with you moderate based on the rules
I don't know why it's against the rules. Yes, I will choose to apply leniency where I think it deserves to be shown. Like I said on the first page, I'm a judicial activist.
So you are saying you use your moderator privileges to be selectively harsh on certain users and selectively lenient on other users?
And yes, if I were you, I would have modnegged my last post too. It would be really embarrassing for you to have to read that every time you return to this page.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
ok, so why is slander against the rules? are you just not going to enforce the rules because you think you know better than the rules? you're not the rule maker, you're the rule enforcer, you don't moderate based on what rules you agree with you moderate based on the rules
I don't know why it's against the rules. Yes, I will choose to apply leniency where I think it deserves to be shown. Like I said on the first page, I'm a judicial activist.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
Demonstrable harm was being caused. You agree that what the user in question did was slander, now you can apply it the set of rules provided here: https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules
I know, it's hard to figure out what fits. It's like that game we all played as children where we have to make the shape fit into the corresponding hole. Does the square go in the circle or the triangle hole?
Do slanderous comments make someone worthy of receiving a trolling violation? I don't know. How about copied mechanics? Oh no, this is pretty difficult -- I see how you initially had troubles.
Thankfully we have user cub who linked us directly to the violations that given to users who spew slanderous accusations. Now that she narrowed it down for us, we can find out where the square fits.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
ok, so why is slander against the rules? are you just not going to enforce the rules because you think you know better than the rules? you're not the rule maker, you're the rule enforcer, you don't moderate based on what rules you agree with you moderate based on the rules
Bebop, what is this? Do you not understand that Whitepimp007 represents peoples' rights to say whatever it is they please?
Whitepimp, overturn this report as Bebop clearly has no idea what he is doing. Violations for saying things other people do not like? Pathetic! Who let Bebop become a moderator?
have your arguments by all means but leave me out of them
I would not have to include you if you did not make the stupid decision of actually giving someone a violation for... something against the rules! This shows you are incompetent and it shows you are no great judicial activist like the excellent moderator Whitepimp007.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
SLANDER
Slander is someone lying about another person in a manner where demonstrable harm is being caused.
I'm not in the business of fact checking claims to determine if it is true or not. I also don't care if someone lies about another person. It's not against the law to call you a thief, a racist, or a rapist. And I'm not going to punish anyone who does this.
My argument is that calling someone a pedophile isn't going to get someone a violation.
Your argument is that calling someone a pedophile deserves a violation.
You want to restrict someone's ability to refer to someone as a pedophile. I'd love to hear some justification for your beliefs.
Creating a false story about someone being a rapist and a pedophile, by definition, is slander. In the rules that this site enforce, harassment is defined as:
"Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has shown the harasser that he is offended. If filing on behalf of another user, one must show the consent of the harassed person."
1) Repeated slanderous attacks were made against me (rapist, pedophile) 2) I told the harasser several times I would like it if they stopped (as shown in the images I provided in the initial report)
The only things in this definition are what happened in this incident and this is why I filed a report and that is why it was originally given a violation. Why you overturned it, great judicial activist? I do not know.
whitepimp shut up for a minute and define slander, it's against the rules we should probably know what it is so tell us as a moderator who enforces the rules
Bebop, what is this? Do you not understand that Whitepimp007 represents peoples' rights to say whatever it is they please?
Whitepimp, overturn this report as Bebop clearly has no idea what he is doing. Violations for saying things other people do not like? Pathetic! Who let Bebop become a moderator?
have your arguments by all means but leave me out of them