Epicmafia

Comp Lobby Change Proposals

over 10 years

Hello comp lobby. As some people are discussing, activity has gone down a bit, and yesterday the lobby was delisted from the front page temporarily. As a result of that, we have some new ideas for competitive and training lobby to help revitalize both lobbies in integration and play. It does look likely though that another lobby will replace this placement on the front page if things do not change. I ask that you please review this if you want things to remain as they are now.

If you would like to see the ideas and proposals for training lobby, please view this thread here.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/63210

For now I will hierarchy things that will be done, and those ideas which would be dependent on Lucid and the undertaking work for them.

Main Changes

1) Lobby rename to ‘Ranked’

Having the lobby name as competitive comes off as intimidating for newer players. Whilst competitions are not going anywhere in this lobby, we want to encourage regular play for those who do not want to influence running competitions.

2) Lower point requirement for entry lowered to 500.

Having an entry amount of 1500 is a very large asking score for someone new to the game. By that time they have either settled down in one lobby with no opinion on moving, or even trying out another lobby. I realize this might lead to more reports being done in comp, but I don’t think it’ll hugely influence the amount of reports that have to be done on average that we have now. Existing limits such as new accounts not being able to participate in current trophy rounds won’t be removed.

Future Changes Pending Feedback

1) Greater new range of achievements.

Not everyone wants to play EpicMafia for trophies, but one thing that I’ve learnt is that lots of people enjoy the stat tracking and trying to get achievements. I feel going into every game with the chance to have a reward or unlock would be great, and we can possibly encourage lobby specifics achievements too.

One example I’d like to see with achievements is a much greater range of unlocks. Let’s take the current hunter achievement which requires you to shoot the mafia in 3 way. This isn’t achievable for everyone, but we can make this achievement accessible for all in some way by having levels without downgrading existing criteria.

Here’s an example

*Level 1: Hit the mafia as Hunter

*Level 2: Hit the mafia 10 times as Hunter

*Level 3 (Ranked Exclusive): Hit the mafia in 3 way as Hunter.

Earning an achievement can gain a small emblem, completing the complete range of achievements can earn a badge.

2) Cycling ‘Assignments’ and challenges

Moving back to the topic of not everyone wanting to run for a trophy, or not having the time to do so, having mini competitions known as assignments could be a new, fun aspect that some players might want to participate in. Like happy hours, imagine having weekly challenges such as who can have the most wins as a particular role, or who can achieve the most cop guilty reports in a week. This can keep things fresh and make achieving more accessible.

3) More community consultation on setups and these new ideas

Having submitted achievements and assignments be as easy as submitting new roles for the game would be brilliant if possible. One problem comp has is autonomy, there’s too much interjection with many actions and not many ways for viewpoints to influence the site.

Concluding notes

We’re fully welcoming in embracing ideas for what might help this lobby thrive, so please rate or give your own for consideration. Thanks guys.

deletedover 10 years

Cantankerous says

You said the website has no problem

no i didn't

the OP asked for suggestions about a proposed change, and everyone has made them.

that's nice, i agree with most of the changes and i've voiced any of potential problems i saw to bumpers on skype.

What went wrong is some individuals felt it necessary to bash the opinions of others by using straw man BS arguments.

you were absolutely the first one to start attacking individual people and you've been attacking me even though literally every single thing youv'e said about me is provably wrong.

"come circlejerker" - not a phrase I used.

Freudian slip, maybe.

because that's the popular opinion at the time and he just wants to be loved by all.

next page because ti's a good post

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

Cantankerous says

i'm quoting this post for the next page since it's so good.

Do it - just makes you look a bit silly when I was clearly replying to Betrayal. :)

deletedover 10 years

if we cannot rebuild competitive, then we must tear it down with our own hands.

Bumpers

over 10 years

I don't get how you guys want to devolve this into a lobby vs lobby war. This is a single lobby idea, it has training for new players, and then what'll be this lobby for anyone that wants the options of unranked, ranked and comp.

I'll say it again, training isn't being changed at all if this gets delisted, where do you think magical changes will happen for the reunification of a few? Why do you think I suggested things in the first place?

deletedover 10 years

Kittykeri for gold

Clair

over 10 years

EmmerrLouise says

Which would make sense, Connor, if I were posting on behalf of "comp lobby regulars".

i was directly inferring to smor's statement about comp lobby regulars stating they don't want to play with noobs. you are the only person in this thread besides smor that has said that comp lobby regulars don't want to play with noobs.

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

Lmao Catank, that whole post wasn't even at you. #getyourheadoutyourrectum

deletedover 10 years

Betrayal says

Smorlicious says

And it won't change the reasons why people avoid comp. lobby to begin with, which is players there tend to be aggressive.

Training players can be aggressive too. If someone avoids something due to the aggressive nature of it then that is a their own fault for being cowardly, naive, and scared.

You're right in every regard, but I don't think it's just the aggression.

deletedover 10 years

You said the website has no problem

no i didn't

the OP asked for suggestions about a proposed change, and everyone has made them.

that's nice, i agree with most of the changes and i've voiced any of potential problems i saw to bumpers on skype.

What went wrong is some individuals felt it necessary to bash the opinions of others by using straw man BS arguments.

you were absolutely the first one to start attacking individual people and you've been attacking me even though literally every single thing youv'e said about me is provably wrong.

"come circlejerker" - not a phrase I used.

Freudian slip, maybe.

because that's the popular opinion at the time and he just wants to be loved by all.

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

Which would make sense, Connor, if I were posting on behalf of "comp lobby regulars".

Betrayal

over 10 years

Smorlicious says

And it won't change the reasons why people avoid comp. lobby to begin with, which is players there tend to be aggressive.

Training players can be aggressive too. If someone avoids something due to the aggressive nature of it then that is a their own fault for being cowardly, naive, and scared.

deletedover 10 years

KyIe says

id rather see competitive lobby deleted than any of these pointless suggestions.

if we can't have assimilation then i agree to this tbh

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

Retti says

I play for fun, I enjoy the website.

your definition of fun isn't the definition for everyone else

My idea of rl fun is reading about dead people and psychos drinking tea. Fun is subjective.

deletedover 10 years

id rather see competitive lobby deleted than any of these pointless suggestions.

Clair

over 10 years

EmmerrLouise says

Connor has already used the fact I play in training as some sort of slur against me after saying we should help the poor noobs in training - moron's way of getting a merge without actually supporting reasons for the merge.

no i didn't. i pointed out that a non-comp lobby regular shouldn't be posting misinformedly on behalf of comp lobby regulars.

Bumpers

over 10 years

Smorlicious says

@Bumbers, you asked us what you think the solution is. And in the end, the only real solution to making competitive lobby lively again is to get rid of it and move the comp games to training lobby

Read earlier parts of the thread, ＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡＡ．

deletedover 10 years

And it won't change the reasons why people avoid comp. lobby to begin with, which is players there tend to be aggressive.

deletedover 10 years

I play for fun, I enjoy the website.

your definition of fun isn't the definition for everyone else

deletedover 10 years

@Bumbers, you asked us what you think the solution is. And in the end, the only real solution to making competitive lobby lively again is to get rid of it and move the comp games to training lobby, i.e. making one main lobby. Whether this is an option or not, whether lucid likes the idea or not, this is the best solution to the problem. Whether this solution is implemented is another discussion. But we've discussed it, and whatever way it would be done, most people here have moved from discussing whether we should unify to how it should be done.

You can rename comp to ranked. You can lower the admission point requirement. But it won't solve the problem of a dead comp lobby.

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

"comp circlejerker" - not a phrase I used.

Freudian slip, maybe.

Bumpers

over 10 years

Retti says

Bumpers says

No one is being forcibly moved.

what if it was voluntary

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The proposal time for comp has past, this is the one shot at things to keep it going in one way or the other. It was just delisted the other day in what was not an accident, it will be delisted if it stays in its current state.

These are the proposals that are fine, but nothing is being changed in training at all to cater for this lobby.

EmmerrLouise

over 10 years

I don't care what they think of me. End of they day, they're pixels on a screen.

I play for fun, I enjoy the website.

You said the website has no problem, yet for 17 pages of posts you've advocated changes suggesting there are indeed problems. It's not about seriousness of how the website is taken, the OP asked for suggestions about a proposed change, and everyone has made them. What went wrong is some individuals felt it necessary to bash the opinions of others by using straw man BS arguments.

deletedover 10 years

Owen says

Cantankerous, we know that behind that hard shell of yours, deep inside, there's an innocent little boy who just wants to play mafia and be accepted. We're here for you. It's OK. Help us help you.

i demand a mod neg this post

deletedover 10 years

Retti says

Bumpers says

No one is being forcibly moved.

what if it was voluntary

Owen

over 10 years

Cantankerous, we know that behind that hard shell of yours, deep inside, there's an innocent little boy who just wants to play mafia and be accepted. We're here for you. It's OK. Help us help you.