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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

over 10 years
that stands only for you kerry. others ate as either alignment. you are just displaying your cheating instincts by saying that you feel guilty while winning as maf against your friends.
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pranay7744 says

@connor-- he always mentioned that he does not ate as maf and he mentioned that only as town. he played with his friends and all his friends always bought that meta. it was like his friends was doing him a favour by lynching him when he was mafia. so that they dont get caught for cheating. it was like they cheated without using skype. they cheated by establishing and ingame code


did you go through any games pranay
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Im just glad Jazz isnt getting a trophy
over 10 years

Kerry says


Kerry says

ateing every game as town =/= honest meta abuse
saying i do x as town every game + doing it ~~~only~~~ as town = honest meta abuse




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MW apologizes about the lynch because he wants to seem like a townie who feels bad for lynching another townie thus appealing to tearoll who seemed upset with him to be under the guise of a townie who just happened to make a mistake.
over 10 years
pranay does not understand what i means to feel guilty about AtE as mafia. this stems from pranay's inability to recognise what is wrong with being emotionally manipulative in any scenario. pranay's sociopathic manipulative tendencies probably expand far beyond this site
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

kerry 99% of the site gets lynched when they ate because people believe that they ate as maf. and yes you are a filthy cheater if you admit in the forums that you wont ate as maf.


i said im LESS likely to ate as mafia. can you not *** read holy ***


> ATING MOSTLY AS TOWN BUT SOMETIMES AS MAFIA = NOT VIOLABLE = NOT HONEST META ABUSE
> ATEING ONLY AS TOWN = HONEST META ABUSE
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I'm gonna self-evict.
over 10 years
@connor-- he always mentioned that he does not ate as maf and he mentioned that only as town. he played with his friends and all his friends always bought that meta. it was like his friends was doing him a favour by lynching him when he was mafia. so that they dont get caught for cheating. it was like they cheated without using skype. they cheated by establishing and ingame code
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Whatever. This is uninteresting.
over 10 years
retti is giving his own set of definition of ate. all of them are wrong.
over 10 years
hey shivv-- kerry says that people never ate as maf, because they feel guilty while winning as maf. that is the definition of cheating. they feel guilty when they do it with their friend.
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Jill says


carolineeee says


Jill says


carolineeee says


Retti says

mw ated as mafia too


besides that ONE game did he ate as maf


which proves his "honest meta" of only ateing as town incorrect? so? ? ? ????


did you read the n2 of that game he raged at his partner and said "i ated as maf and i never ate as maf" "i real ated cause i was so mad at you" etc


i didn't find anything like that in the game but

mw295
NICE EVERYTHING
mw295
CUZ UR AWESOME

mw295
minxy you're hurting me right here -> <3

he ates as mafia


thats not the kind of ate he uses to clear himself as town. he literally rages and *** like a little baby for his town ate
over 10 years

Shivv says

Also what side is Pranay on and I will tear that side down


eristic
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GuyFawkes...
congrats mw
tearoll
now
mw295
sorry guy
mw295
i'm sorry

mw NOT appealing to emotion as he apologizes for mislynching a townie, from the previous day.
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Nice dissection of MW's use of AtE there, Jill.
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good stuff.
over 10 years
kerry 99% of the site gets lynched when they ate because people believe that they ate as maf. and yes you are a filthy cheater if you admit in the forums that you wont ate as maf.
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The sheer amount of passive aggression on display here is cringe-worthy.
over 10 years

carolineeee says


Jill says


carolineeee says


Retti says

mw ated as mafia too


besides that ONE game did he ate as maf


which proves his "honest meta" of only ateing as town incorrect? so? ? ? ????


did you read the n2 of that game he raged at his partner and said "i ated as maf and i never ate as maf" "i real ated cause i was so mad at you" etc


i didn't find anything like that in the game but

mw295
NICE EVERYTHING
mw295
CUZ UR AWESOME

mw295
minxy you're hurting me right here -> <3

he ates as mafia
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Retti says

mw295
i'm believing you less n less
mw295
mw295
but i don't want you lynched
tearoll
just saying lucy is a 100% better lynch than minxy
mw295
cuz ily and all

this is also not an appeal to emotion, it seems.


that is ogi "i dont want you lynched cause ily"
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Retti says

mw295
minxy you're hurting me right here -> heart

^ an appeal to emotion to his friend that he is hurt that she did not townread him last game


probably because he didn't ate enough
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mw295
i'm believing you less n less
mw295
mw295
but i don't want you lynched
tearoll
just saying lucy is a 100% better lynch than minxy
mw295
cuz ily and all

this is also not an appeal to emotion, it seems.
over 10 years
99% of the site are now cheaters =)
over 10 years
yes because there being a less chance of me ateing as mafia makes me a filthy cheater