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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

over 10 years

Kerry says

ateing every game as town =/= honest meta abuse
saying i do x as town every game + doing it ~~~only~~~ as town = honest meta abuse

deletedover 10 years
good stuff.
over 10 years
99% of people ate more often as town jesus christ
over 10 years


There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway.

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skippy rages/ATEs in his town games 90% of the time js. like you can't fos him without him raging and calling you names
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Sounds like all I have to do is get skippy to tell me what the password is.
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Skippy's entire round 175 round was all meta abuse with his e-buddy Jason (btw where is Jason now??)

Round 201 Skippy meta abused with his circle of friends that knew about his clearly state town ATE (either through games or via Skype chat) and benefited from playing with each other yet nothing was done about this

Round 206 Skippy again meta abuses with his ATE "strategy" that everyone now knows about and uses to clear him as town. He gets a Free Pass just because "he stopped explicitly stating he only ates as town" when he was approached about his meta abuse



There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.


Skippy doesn't need to explicitly state "I only do x as town" in a game in order for it be considered meta abuse. All he has to do is ATE in the same mannerism and the people at the table are able to clear him automatically.

There is also lots of evidence that suggests he softs to his friends or people he plays often with that he is town and urges them to TR him just because.

It's really stupid to let him off the hook completely for meta abuse when this kind of behavior has been persisting for many rounds, clearly giving him an advantage as he has been a trophy contender many times.

The mods are so afraid to make a mistake that they overlook the obvious and *** out of any valid decision just to please the crowd or because they don't want to get flack from Lucid later. And that's a really sad way to moderate if you ask me.
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TheOnlyJazznation1 says

Hey bronto no go OT my Vio that I it for OGI by Ark because he just went against this ruling


mw still has the vio he just isn't suspended
over 10 years
Hey bronto no go OT my Vio that I it for OGI by Ark because he just went against this ruling
over 10 years
yay
over 10 years

Love says

lol OK


I have no reason to lie or cover anything up here. We agreed earlier and then Retti wanted to take a second look. I'm glad we did.
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sometimes i come back and realize i plussed a post i didnt mean to
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at least mw295's one and only dream of winning an online trophy is coming true and he won't cry himself to sleep tonight :)
over 10 years

lolwot says

Pure autism.


what a great post
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lol OK
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lolwot says

Pure autism.

over 10 years
Nah, Retti agreed with me earlier in the day and then wanted to wait to see the counterbin. After more investigation, it was good we waited.
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lmaooooooooooooooo, bronto is awesome with covering up mod discrepancy though.

im glad your mistake was corrected at the very least.
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Pure autism.
over 10 years
lel