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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

over 10 years
well it just looks like that retti ( a friend of connor, who has helped him several times before) and kerry and connor and mw are all in the same group and they always look out for each other.
deletedover 10 years
Retti you don't get it. Skippy established this meta rounds ago. He no longer has to explicitly state it in order for it to be true. All he needs to do is play a game where he has 1 person who is aware of this meta and abuse it with that 1 person in order to gain the advantage.
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

@kerry, stop talking because you sound absolutely stupid. it might be mentally impossible for you to do that because you dont wanna beat your friend. which is infact cheating. it is not mentally impossible for any player to ate as maf if they are playing to win. if it was mentally impossible then why is everybody lynched when they ate???? are you freaking stupid?


im not friends with the guy who ~honest meta abused~
over 10 years
99% of time i dont ate as mafia bc guiltyguilty
99% of time im town i ate bc madmad
over 10 years
@kerry, stop talking because you sound absolutely stupid. it might be mentally impossible for you to do that because you dont wanna beat your friend. which is infact cheating. it is not mentally impossible for any player to ate as maf if they are playing to win. if it was mentally impossible then why is everybody lynched when they ate???? are you freaking stupid?
deletedover 10 years

thebrontosaurs says

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.


All of what you just said was pointed out by mw in his response to the original report, which you claimed to have read before you closed the appeal.

lmao
deletedover 10 years

Retti says

mw ated as mafia too


no where in your pastebin shows any evidence of this besides that ONE game did he ate as maf

because there is no ate in this game https://epicmafia.com/game/3218472 at all
over 10 years
but theres still the fact he ate'd as mafia!!!!!!!
deletedover 10 years
good lord pranay you're really dense dude
over 10 years
so in the end, jazza got seriously *** kek
over 10 years
retti is lying blatantly. he never used the argument " i am ateing so i am town" as mafia

that is why he was believed every time he was town
over 10 years
because its mentally impossible to ate as mafia without feeling guilty about it unless youre stone cold?!?
over 10 years
what he did was cheating because he was never lynched by his friends if he ated. they had a pact that if he ates he wont be lynched.
deletedover 10 years
mw ated as mafia too
deletedover 10 years
he even said "i never real ate as maf" in the one game he was maf where he ate'd because he was mad at his partner bussing him and then admits to doing it because he was frustrated and that's probably the only case where has done it as mafia
over 10 years

Kerry says

99% of people ate more often as town jesus christ


over 10 years
what mw did


" since i am town, i will ATE

and become clear

and the maf are doomed

and have no way to win because i am clear coz of some code i have established with my friends.

and i will only play as friends and win the trophy"
deletedover 10 years

Kerry says

ok lets make 'i wouldn't do x as mafia' punishable, even if its said as mafia


that's not what this is about and you know it lol
over 10 years
as long as he ate'd as mafia its not a punishable offense
deletedover 10 years
BECAUSE I WANT TO BE TOWN-READ, so yes.
over 10 years
demod retti and ban mw. retti's decision is wrong and sets a very bad precedence. he has no right to decide this.
over 10 years

Kerry says


Kerry says


Kerry says

ateing every game as town =/= honest meta abuse
saying i do x as town every game + doing it ~~~only~~~ as town = honest meta abuse







deletedover 10 years

Retti says


carolineeee says


Retti says

He didn't meta abuse. MW played like MW the whole round, and his playstyle is centered around AtE and a heavy reliance on meta. We do not disqualify someone's playstyle unless it gives an unfair advantage, and you're not inclined to believe someone's AtE. mw's only advantage in those games is the fact people managed to believe his AtE in the first place.


do you not realize if he is in a game with a bunch of friends and AtEs as town to show his friends he is town is a disadvantage to others in the game.


You mean people read you better in games where they happen to have an amount of meta on you because you play with them so much? I really didn't know. Should I be dq'ed all the time I whined in games where I played with my friends as I was getting lynched that they were wrong about me and appealed about the way I was playing?


were you whining and trying to clear yourself by doing certain things?
deletedover 10 years
Lana should I send ou PM instead!?????
over 10 years
ok lets make 'i wouldn't do x as mafia' punishable, even if its said as mafia