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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

over 10 years

carolineeee says


Kerry says


carolineeee says


Jill says


carolineeee says


lolwot says

Pure autism.





dude stop quoting this, it's abelist


go away lol


because informing someone about ableism is a bad thing =)


you think im albeist? everyone has some form of autism so who even cares oh wait not me


yes lets justify ableism :)
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Pranay is feelig attracted to a strange woman the same as *** her? Feelings aren't wrong, but acting I appropriately on those feelings can be. Here in Americs we practice freedom of thought.
over 10 years
@connor-- if you feel guilty about that then you wont try as hard and ate as maf when ate as maf will help you win


@Kerry-- you stated that everybody ates only as town because they feel guilty which is galactically stupid and blatantly wrong. that is nowhere near the truth at all. you think so because you do that. you feel guilty about it and you become obvious maf to connor when you run with him. you dont feel like ateing him and you dont do it as maf because you feel guilty about beating connor. and that is how it helps him. that is how you read each other. and that is unfair and fundamentally cheating
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Kerry says


carolineeee says


Jill says


carolineeee says


lolwot says

Pure autism.





dude stop quoting this, it's abelist


go away lol


because informing someone about ableism is a bad thing =)


you think im albeist? everyone has some form of autism so who even cares oh wait not me
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Retardation Central.
over 10 years

carolineeee says


Jill says


carolineeee says


lolwot says

Pure autism.





dude stop quoting this, it's abelist


go away lol


because informing someone about ableism is a bad thing =)
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Jill says


carolineeee says


lolwot says

Pure autism.





dude stop quoting this, it's abelist


go away lol
over 10 years

carolineeee says


lolwot says

Pure autism.





dude stop quoting this, it's abelist
over 10 years
you say you recognise that, but if you did, you probably don't genuinely understand its real life implications as well from your own lack of feeling.
over 10 years
@kerry-- mw's case has nothing to do with anything done afterwards.

his case is for honest meta. and that is cheating. and the fact that you make it look different and insist that what he did was right and that you wouldnt ate as maf and that everybody only ates as town and that it should be universally established because you think everybody feels what you feel, means you are a filthy cheater
over 10 years
owen lemme ollie out w u
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lolwot says

Pure autism.

over 10 years
okay pranay is delusional so I'm gonna jet out of this thread
over 10 years
i'm not implying that at all pranay.

i recognise that there is no shame or guilt to be felt for being as ruthlessly deceitful and manipulative as you want in mafia games. but it is also no shame in feeling that guilt. because it's human nature to feel guilt for being ruthlessly deceitful.
over 10 years
and i will enjoy that win and not feel guilty about it because it is a game. i am not killing him irl. or hurting him.
over 10 years
if you feel bad for winning against a friend then you will definitely not try as hard.


and you are a cheater if you feel bad for winning a mafia game against your friend.

i would gladly beat my best friend as his opponent even if that means that he will lose out on a trophy because of that very loss.

because i play to my win condition and i am not a gter
over 10 years
Or whatever the *** you have in India.
over 10 years
i'm not arguing about friends and not friends.
over 10 years
Swing by a Target and pick up some empathy, pran.
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Kid is vague.
over 10 years

Owen says

it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend



Owen says

it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend



Owen says

it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend



Owen says

it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend



Owen says

it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend

over 10 years
so connor is implying that i am doing something wrong if i manipulate someone's emotion to win as mafia.


he is saying one shouldnt do that and rather lose because he doesnt wanna hurt his friend.


anyone protecting mw here has cheating instincts.
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~~AFTERWARDS~~
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

@connor--- that stands in real world. doing it in a mafia game is fine because that is what helps you win. if you dont wanna do that and rather lose because it affects your friend then that is cheating. and you know it


it's wrong to lose for a friend but it is not wrong to feel bad about winning against a friend
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

@connor--- that stands in real world. doing it in a mafia game is fine because that is what helps you win. if you dont wanna do that and rather lose because it affects your friend then that is cheating. and you know it


BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FEELING GUILTY ABOUT ATEING SOMEONE AND LYING ~~AFTERWARDS~~