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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

deletedover 10 years
lock the thread and drop the mic
over 10 years
It is good that you stand for what you believe is right Retti. You should keep doing that.
deletedover 10 years
we're looking literally to lambast a poor guy who maybe isn't the sharpest tool in the shed because he has to rely on AtE to win town games and the people who managed to play with him when he was scum didn't catch onto this and let him win 10 scum games too, even with he incorporated some AtE in those times he was mafia too.

that's not fair

im done arguing this
deletedover 10 years
re-disqualify it
over 10 years
This thread is golden, and so is everyone that posted on it
over 10 years
retti, he didn't just play differently. he intentionally played differently. that's the key factor.
deletedover 10 years
no i agree with empire in that it did make the mod team look bad but saving face over doing something correctly?

i'd go with retti fixing the problem any day
over 10 years

Empire says

As I said before regardless of whether or not mw was eventually unsuspended the entire handling of this was embarrassing, with someone messing up massively, which we now know is both.

Mod business as usual+Retti being Retti I suppose.


what was he supposed to do? fly over to bronto's house and wake him up?
deletedover 10 years
and then retti responds. lmao


ace pranay top troller
deletedover 10 years
statistics show that town will do what it takes to be town-read, even if it means to AtE. the argument was literally about implied honest meta used as a advantage, and he didn't do that here; some people are just easy reads

should we suspend you next round for the way you play too pranay?
deletedover 10 years
stop replying to this guy.

im calling a community shut out of pranay
deletedover 10 years
oh god^
over 10 years
@retti-- he used a particular thing as town and got read as town when he was town every game. giving an unfair disadvantage to mafia whenever he was town.
over 10 years
nothing is wrong with me kerry. you broke the rules and i pointed them out. and since you have no answer for that you are deviating from the argument. you are trash talking me because you have no answers to the accusations made by me. i let it go earlier because i thought you stopped doing it. but you seem to have the same mindset. and you think mw did nothing wrong.
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because he plays with his friends.


people read you better when you play with them more, shocking
over 10 years
ONLY THE CHEATERS PLAY DIFFERENTLY AS TOWN AND MAFIA. IF YOU WANT TO WIN AS MAFIA YOU WOULD PLAY THE SAME YOU DID AS TOWN AND WIN IT. IF YOU DONT WANNA WIN AS MAFIA THEN YOU WILL TRY OTHER METHODS WHICH WONT HELP YOU AS MUCH. YOU WOULD DO IT TO KEEP THE META. AND TO HELP YOUR FRIEND
over 10 years
lmao now you are saying he isnt a strong player in general... what does that have anything to do with what he did. if he isnt a strong player then why is he top 3 every round. he is top 3 every round because he plays with his friends. and he has been on em even before me. and i recently gave hard evidence of him skyping with jasonfx while in game. HARD EVIDENCE. MATCHING TIMESTAMPS. AND YOU STILL BELIEVE HE DID NOTHING WRONG.
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people play differently when they're town and when they're mafia oh my god
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

you do it only when you are forced to. you dont do it to win. you wont do it even if it helps you win. if you really wanted to win you would kill your friend who is running and claim meta clear. but you wont do that because you want your friend to win the trophy and you will give him a chance to win. you will then act like a total douche the whole game and be obvious mafia by fosing your friend and letting him know that you are the mafia. if you buddied your friend like you did as town you wouldnt be lynched. you are obligated to betray your friend when you are mafia. if you feel guilty about that you will give away your role to your friend which is cheating. and YES. YOU ARE A FILTHY CHEATER IF YOU DO ANY OF THIS


OH MY GOD
over 10 years

Retti says


Connor says

finally, i will say that mw definitely deserves the suspension. he fully recognised his own flawed mafia play and intentionally sought to leave it unchanged in order to benefit his town play.


if this is true then why didn't he try and emulate his style as town because clearly it was working out for him, i just think he has a difference approach to the game as mafia much like anyone else does, and it's been proven he incorporates an amount of AtE in his scum-play and even if, it's not worth suspending someone because of it.


here--- in this post you admit that he didnt emulate his style. that means he wanted to keep his meta for winning as town. and whatever you think does not matter at all. everybody else can easily see what is happening here. he used an established meta to win games as town. everybody always bought his meta. if you are arguing about that being his style then every cheater will claim that his play style is cheating
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you're reading too hard into a guy who just isn't a strong player in general who has to use AtE as a crutch for it.
over 10 years
so many assumptions its literally paranoia. its so *** up. what is wrong with you pranay. what is wrong.
over 10 years
pranay i hope you are enjoying yourself
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Connor says

finally, i will say that mw definitely deserves the suspension. he fully recognised his own flawed mafia play and intentionally sought to leave it unchanged in order to benefit his town play.


if this is true then why didn't he try and emulate his style as town because clearly it was working out for him. i just think he has a different approach to the game as mafia much like anyone else does, and it's been proven he incorporates an amount of AtE in his scum-play and even if, it's not worth suspending someone because of it.
over 10 years
UM hello - I DO IT WHEN ITS BEST SUITED TO WINNING THE GAME