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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

over 10 years
you do it only when you are forced to. you dont do it to win. you wont do it even if it helps you win. if you really wanted to win you would kill your friend who is running and claim meta clear. but you wont do that because you want your friend to win the trophy and you will give him a chance to win. you will then act like a total douche the whole game and be obvious mafia by fosing your friend and letting him know that you are the mafia. if you buddied your friend like you did as town you wouldnt be lynched. you are obligated to betray your friend when you are mafia. if you feel guilty about that you will give away your role to your friend which is cheating. and YES. YOU ARE A FILTHY CHEATER IF YOU DO ANY OF THIS
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Connor says

finally, i will say that mw definitely deserves the suspension. he fully recognised his own flawed mafia play and intentionally sought to leave it unchanged in order to benefit his town play.

over 10 years

pranay7744 says

you want me to stay out of your games because you know that i wont throw for you.

people play with friends so that they throw for them




oh my god the insanity
over 10 years
you want me to stay out of your games because you know that i wont throw for you.

people play with friends so that they throw for them
over 10 years
theres also nothing wrong with avoiding killing someone n1. if im forced to, i will. -_-
over 10 years
scholsey is my best friend because he doesnt trash talk me despite me beating his only chance to win a trophy by killing him n1 and claiming meta clear
over 10 years
you are an idiot. i ate when i have to or feel like i can pull it off. if i dont feel i can, i avoid it. why? because i aim to win.
over 10 years
choosing the best method to win is the right method. if you chose a method that is sub-par then you are throwing. you chose a sub par method because you feel guilty for using a better method.

you will not n1 your friend when he is running even thought it is in your best interest to do so to win. you can claim meta clear as mafia and win it.


i killed scholsey as maf when he needed one win to seal bronze. i claimed meta clear and won that game.

i did the same against brown many times

i play to win

you play to help your friend

and scholsey is my best friend because he doesnt trash talk me despite me beating his only chance to win a trophy by killing him n1 and claiming meta clear
over 10 years
pranay doesnt judge on intention because he cant understand emotions well
over 10 years
arguing with you is pointless. if you feel that way stay out of any games with me.
over 10 years
finally, i will say that mw definitely deserves the suspension. he fully recognised his own flawed mafia play and intentionally sought to leave it unchanged in order to benefit his town play.
over 10 years
doesnt matter if it is intentional or not. if it happens then you have cheating tendency and throwing tendency.


mw used that to get his friends vote with him every game he was town.

@kerry-- yeah i figured you would resort to trash talking and demeaning me if i called you out on whatever you did. you say i have no understanding of emotions irl because you throw for your friend in a mafia game and i dont
over 10 years
ITS A GAME WITH MANY METHODS TO WIN - CHOOSING ANOTHER METHOD OVER ATEING DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANY LESS WILLING TO WIN
over 10 years
you're right pranay. if you feel guilty about it, sometimes you will be disadvantaged as mafia. however, this is not intentional on the user's part
over 10 years
and since you feel that way, it stops you from doing it in game. nothing wrong in pulling any tactic to win a mafia game. if you feel bad about winning then you are a cheater.
over 10 years
LETS MAKE A HUGE DEAL ABOUT SOMEONE LYING ABOUT THEIR USAGE OF ATE. ALSO TROPHIES LITERALLY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL


LOL
over 10 years
you literally have no understanding of most human emotions so quit trying to act like you do
over 10 years
after all these days em is still about looking out for friends. there is no real competition. people just help their friends win game and if they dont they feel guilty about it. they dont try as hard to win if it is against their friend. they try very hard to unsuspend their friend despite an obvious case of cheating in multiple rounds.
over 10 years
and when i win against connor? what do i do? laugh about it when its been a good game, but feel bad when ive used ate too much + it feels like ive pulled a *** tactic to win
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Bad Posting Haven: Topic 62975
over 10 years
also *** off i ate connor as mafia because thats the only move i can pull and i apologise afterwards. the only time it doesnt work is when it looks fake as hell. im generally *** as mafia because its difficult to have the same feelings i do as town. -_-
over 10 years
@connor-- i completely understand what its irl implication is. your mafia game is separate. if you cant put it aside your real life friendship then you are definitely a cheater. you will always favor your friends in a mafia game, just like you did in the past. i thought you didnt do it anymore but your statements tell otherwise.
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Some quality *** being spouted here.
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

@connor-- if you feel guilty about that then you wont try as hard and ate as maf when ate as maf will help you win


@Kerry-- you stated that everybody ates only as town because they feel guilty which is galactically stupid and blatantly wrong. that is nowhere near the truth at all. you think so because you do that. you feel guilty about it and you become obvious maf to connor when you run with him. you dont feel like ateing him and you dont do it as maf because you feel guilty about beating connor. and that is how it helps him. that is how you read each other. and that is unfair and fundamentally cheating



pranay7744 says

@connor-- if you feel guilty about that then you wont try as hard and ate as maf when ate as maf will help you win


@Kerry-- you stated that everybody ates only as town because they feel guilty which is galactically stupid and blatantly wrong. that is nowhere near the truth at all. you think so because you do that. you feel guilty about it and you become obvious maf to connor when you run with him. you dont feel like ateing him and you dont do it as maf because you feel guilty about beating connor. and that is how it helps him. that is how you read each other. and that is unfair and fundamentally cheating


i said in MOST cases not ALL. stop. falsely. reading.
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so who even cares oh wait not me