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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

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I'm minting likes.
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pranay7744 says

@connor--you are not at all sorry. not even a bit. and i understand everything fine. i understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. you are trying ways to justify what your friend did. you are trying to justify it to yourself. you want to believe he did nothing wrong so you are looking for every way possible to believe that he somehow did nothing wrong. and when you do that you try and explain that to others.


what makes you think im talking about mw? i'm talking about kerry.
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shivv still being a fruit loop dingus
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@connor--- that stands in real world. doing it in a mafia game is fine because that is what helps you win. if you dont wanna do that and rather lose because it affects your friend then that is cheating. and you know it
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The GAY one, that is. Make it the most plussed post on the site.
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Everyone plus my post.
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pranay7744 says

@connor--you are not at all sorry. not even a bit. and i understand everything fine. i understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. you are trying ways to justify what your friend did. you are trying to justify it to yourself. you want to believe he did nothing wrong so you are looking for every way possible to believe that he somehow did nothing wrong. and when you do that you try and explain that to others.


except he's not feeling that way at all

you feel differently than others do and try to assume what theyre feeling and its 99% wrong
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@owen-- as if you are killing someone by winning a mafia game?????? lmao---- you mean you feel bad when you beat your friend as maf because you are a human being??????/ that just means you have cheating instincts.
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Retti says

what you're doing right now is AtE, caro.


no it wasn't it's the truth lmao
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pranay7744 says

if you feel guilty while appealing to someone as maf then it means you dont wanna try your best to win when you are against your friend.


dishonest emotional manipulation and blackmail are very wrong things in the real world. it is instinctive to human beings with any sense of morality to be hesitant about it.
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*funnels mouth* GAY
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what you're doing right now is AtE, caro.
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@connor--you are not at all sorry. not even a bit. and i understand everything fine. i understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. you are trying ways to justify what your friend did. you are trying to justify it to yourself. you want to believe he did nothing wrong so you are looking for every way possible to believe that he somehow did nothing wrong. and when you do that you try and explain that to others.
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everyone knows the outcome of this is wrong and he had a lot of advantages throughout the round. but you know you have something wrong if you cry about an online trophy being taken away
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because feeling guilty prevents you from doing something and apologising afterwards, doesnt it? :)
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pranay7744 says

if you feel guilty while appealing to someone as maf then it means you dont wanna try your best to win when you are against your friend.


no it means they are a human being you *** dumbass
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if you feel guilty while appealing to someone as maf then it means you dont wanna try your best to win when you are against your friend.
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pranay7744 says

@connor-- well i can see what side you are on. and it doesnt even matter. you are still the same. i thought you guys grew up and changed. but you are still the same. any rule or fairness means nothing to you. all you do is help friends. you did it in the past and you are doing it again.


you are wrong. i am sorry that you are so wrong. you probably don't even understand how the things you do and say are wrong
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that's harsh
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none of mw's friends no what ate is. you cant say he uses this subtle kind of ate as maf and then when he is town he starts the next world war with ate. him raging as town is what clears him. his friends are too stupid to know what the ate as maf is, thus knowing he is maf and lynching him
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WAY to skew things to your own *** UP perspective
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@connor-- well i can see what side you are on. and it doesnt even matter. you are still the same. i thought you guys grew up and changed. but you are still the same. any rule or fairness means nothing to you. all you do is help friends. you did it in the past and you are doing it again.
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good stuff
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cheating instincts.
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Connor says

pranay does not understand what i means to feel guilty about AtE as mafia. this stems from pranay's inability to recognise what is wrong with being emotionally manipulative in any scenario. pranay's sociopathic manipulative tendencies probably expand far beyond this site


he got a disorder, Im sure of it