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Regarding mw295 & OGI

over 10 years

After careful deliberation, we have decided to unsuspend mw295 from Round 206. This is a pastebin prepared by Retti explaining why: http://pastebin.com/PstSmdJc

To clarify what happened, last night I had unpaused the round and suspended him for meta abusing throughout the round, based off the bin caroline had posted and the screenshots Emmerr had taken of his gameplay, which I found to be very unaccpetable and suspension worthy.

However, after I went to sleep, Retti was approached with a pastebin that concluded that the games shown in this report (https://epicmafia.com/report/104355) were from last round and not indicative of his play throughout this round. I had gone to sleep, so Retti took over and paused the round to take more time to look at this bin and to take more time to mull over the details and whether this was the right call.

He concluded by looking through his games and noting where he had outwardly stated this meta and most oftentimes, since being warned by myself and his mentor, Anthony, about his playstyle, he did make a conscious effort to change.

Although there are aspects of mw295's gameplay that are borderline OGI, Retti's comments about ATE is true and it is difficult to prove how much of an advantage he gleaned throughout his run as a result of this meta, which was not clearly stated anywhere, but only widely known. There are instances throughout his run where he "uses ATE" as mafia, and instances where he ATE'd as town and was lynched anyway. Thus, it is difficult to discern how great of an advantage he received from this meta.

That said, moving forward, we are going to be taking stricter measures against OGI and how they impact players' runs. mw295's play had previously been full of OGI, so the violation will stay, but there isn't enough here to disqualify him from the round as most of what was reported was in fact from the previous round where he got 4th.

If this sort of clearly stated honest meta shows up again in excess anyone's run, they will be looked into and disqualified via OGI. There is not enough indicating mw abused meta to his advantage during this run, and it's clear from looking through the games more closely, that he abandoned clearly stating his meta every game, and broke it a few times. He did not explicitly state his meta and stick to it throughout the round.

I would like to apologize for the confusion regarding the round's end and would like to thank Retti for stepping up and making sure that we made the right call.

Please read through the pastebin linked above for more details. Thank you.

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carolineeee says


Retti says

He didn't meta abuse. MW played like MW the whole round, and his playstyle is centered around AtE and a heavy reliance on meta. We do not disqualify someone's playstyle unless it gives an unfair advantage, and you're not inclined to believe someone's AtE. mw's only advantage in those games is the fact people managed to believe his AtE in the first place.


do you not realize if he is in a game with a bunch of friends and AtEs as town to show his friends he is town is a disadvantage to others in the game.


You mean people read you better in games where they happen to have an amount of meta on you because you play with them so much? I really didn't know. Should I be dq'ed all the time I whined in games where I played with my friends as I was getting lynched that they were wrong about me and appealed about the way I was playing?
over 10 years
what he did is practically cheating. what he did was effectively coding his role to all his friends. " since i am town, i will ATE and become clear and the maf are doomed and have no way to win because i am clear coz of some code i have established with my friends. and i will only play as friends and win the trophy"
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Retti says

ban everyone who manages to shown even a bit of slight emotion as a means of an argument as to why they are town - lolwot and carolinee


no one ever said this. there is a difference between using ate and using it to CLEAR YOURSELF
over 10 years
retti single handedly helping his friend to get a trophy
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Retti says

He didn't meta abuse. MW played like MW the whole round, and his playstyle is centered around AtE and a heavy reliance on meta. We do not disqualify someone's playstyle unless it gives an unfair advantage, and you're not inclined to believe someone's AtE. mw's only advantage in those games is the fact people managed to believe his AtE in the first place.


do you not realize if he is in a game with a bunch of friends and AtEs as town to show his friends he is town is a disadvantage to others in the game.
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ban everyone who manages to shown even a bit of slight emotion as a means of an argument as to why they are town - lolwot and carolinee
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Did you get my messages on your profile???
over 10 years
borderline ogi is enough for suspending from round
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the thing is the games where he ate'd and used the meta to clear himself this round should be INVALID
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He didn't meta abuse. MW played like MW the whole round, and his playstyle is centered around AtE and a heavy reliance on meta. We do not disqualify someone's playstyle unless it gives an unfair advantage, and you're not inclined to believe someone's AtE. mw's only advantage in those games is the fact people managed to believe his AtE in the first place.
over 10 years

Kerry says


Kerry says

ateing every game as town =/= honest meta abuse
saying i do x as town every game + doing it ~~~only~~~ as town = honest meta abuse




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Kerry says



im sorry caroline but dont sit there and say you've never said you wouldnt do x as mafia when you were town


i never said i wouldn't lol
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Hi Lana :)
over 10 years
ATE has never been punishable

Honest Meta has been - aka doing the same thing every game ONLY as town
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Retti says

You mean where he AtEd about what he would do as mafia? That's a general strategy used by many players, even I would say something like that if it meant they would town-read me.


that game though is one of those he didn't play with his friends so it's not like he could clear himself with the ate anyway but he ate'd and ogi'd by mentioning his run anyway
over 10 years


im sorry caroline but dont sit there and say you've never said you wouldnt do x as mafia when you were town
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I think the funniest part about Retti's pastebin is the end where he confirms Skippy's honest meta. But then goes to say "because Skippy lost a few games here and there he doesn't deserve to be DQ'd despite meta abusing the entire round"

LOL

Retti: "If someone mishammers, the meta abuse is no longer real!!"

lmfao
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You mean where he AtEd about what he would do as mafia? That's a general strategy used by many players, even I would say something like that if it meant they would town-read me.
deletedover 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/3240157/review (town win) - no abuse

and im pretty sure he used ogi this game so how is it not abuse on d5

did retti even read the games or
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Hedger says

Yes, people have their own meta on other people. But it is known by EVERYONE that mw ate's as town and doesn't as mafia. He told everybody this


It looks like the only people who think Skippy's run is clean of meta abuse are those who weren't really involved in his games or his circlejerk.
over 10 years
at least jazz can't comp Jan 2.0 and Emmerr's defeat is even more bitter
over 10 years
ate = appeal to emotions
what did he do that game? ate
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https://epicmafia.com/game/3218472 (scum win) - no abuse (Again, he employs a lot of AtE into his scumplay.)

where did he ate in this game i don't see it? capsing =/= ate
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retti took a pee on injustice.
deletedover 10 years
it's good that brnto and retti are carrying the entire mod team on their backs.