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Meteor rules

Mellifluousalmost 11 years ago

Admin please clarify the meteor rules.

Last time I checked it was pretty clear. But your current mods seem to have absolutely no idea about it.

https://epicmafia.com/report/151224 https://epicmafia.com/report/150499

They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.

Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.

What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.

deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
i dunno how i got u mixed up here hedger, nor how i didn't bother to figure out those simple probabilities in that stalker thread, but this was all a funny little dance whatever mental gymnastics occurred here lol
Hibikialmost 11 years ago
roadman
Doc should always save cop. Plain and simple. This really didn't need 5 or 6 pages of inane discussion.
the fact that a mod plussed this infuriates me because it's really bloody ignorant
Hibikialmost 11 years ago
honestly that's not a bad idea hedger
perekingalmost 11 years ago
i think it's pretty obvious that everyone should eat their bread with the butter side down
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hedgeralmost 11 years ago
okay arguing for the sake of arguing probably isn't actually helping at all. I honestly don't even care if the problem is fixed since it doesn't affect me since I don't let games go to meteor like that and I don't play GAI cuz that's a piece of crap. And fixing it one way or another will suffice for me. I just think it's easier to go in the opposite direction about it as it makes things the easiest to comprehend.

Also if they do somehow go down the lines of doc not being allowed to save on meteor nights and mafia have no restrictions over that kill, then I think lucid should just build a function that restricts the use of doctor (those types of actions - nurse etc.) on meteor nights and makes it must kill for mafia, although second one is slightly more pointless, and can probably do without. But I think that'd give a clearer way of understanding how it's supposed to be played out.
Togepialmost 11 years ago
It's too much. I've been through two meetings and a project deadline and people are still capping.
Giga13almost 11 years ago
I love the smell of capital letters in the morning
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
roadman
Doc should always save cop. Plain and simple. This really didn't need 5 or 6 pages of inane discussion.
aren't u so clever finishing this all up for us? ha-ha! cop goes on doc suckers! obviously!

the doc's action only serves to create a loss. doc-saving on meteor night is literally intent to gamethrow
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Togepialmost 11 years ago
Dear God you guys are still going at it.
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
my brain really is fried today lol
Hibikialmost 11 years ago
hedger
Hibiki
hedger
AND I ALREADY SAID THAT THE NUMBERS WERE NOT IMPORTANT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT MAFIA CANT EXPECT TO WIN MORE GAMES IN THE LONG RUN NECESSARILY BY JUST USING THAT STRATEGY.
they can though. because town will start preventing the strategy by lynching the day before meteor.
Long run was probably a bad word, because yes you're right. But you don't lose one game now just to increase your chances of winning slightly in the long run. It's not like you can argue "I wanted to prove a point so in the long run I can win more games".
it doesn't start in game though, it starts with mods making an informative announcement
roadmanalmost 11 years ago
Doc should always save cop. Plain and simple. This really didn't need 5 or 6 pages of inane discussion.
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Felonsalmost 11 years ago
At the end if the day doctor shouldn't save on meteor nights. Cops should be aware that if mafia continue to nk they get 2 night of reports. They out their 3 reports and then town can lynch since most setups that these stupid semantics are being argued have 1) a ML and 2) A Gf & miller
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deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
still doesn't change anything tho. yes mafia is bullying a kill, and so have a win-chance outside of that possible game-ender, but they're not committing the ultimate infraction in doing so
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
Hibiki
hedger
AND I ALREADY SAID THAT THE NUMBERS WERE NOT IMPORTANT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT MAFIA CANT EXPECT TO WIN MORE GAMES IN THE LONG RUN NECESSARILY BY JUST USING THAT STRATEGY.
they can though. because town will start preventing the strategy by lynching the day before meteor.
Long run was probably a bad word, because yes you're right. But you don't lose one game now just to increase your chances of winning slightly in the long run. It's not like you can argue "I wanted to prove a point so in the long run I can win more games".
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
oh my bad, ur math was right hedger lol. i was just shooting way over with my intuited calculation and got caught up in it
Felonsalmost 11 years ago
Lol. All these caps on a topic that is very irrelevant
Hibikialmost 11 years ago
hedger
AND I ALREADY SAID THAT THE NUMBERS WERE NOT IMPORTANT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT MAFIA CANT EXPECT TO WIN MORE GAMES IN THE LONG RUN NECESSARILY BY JUST USING THAT STRATEGY.
they can though. because town will start preventing the strategy by lynching the day before meteor.
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
belovedprincess
NeverMaf
belovedprincess
we're talking about 4 town and 1 mafia and the 1 mafia trying to kill down to either a 1/2 or a 1/3 chance of his being lynched, right?
its 5 town and 1 maf
alright well, just readjust then. u can't just add up the 25% and the 12.5% tho. that 37.5% was a nonsense number

oh, so we're talking about mafia killing into potential autolose
you can't add up the two numbers? excuse me?

You play 100 hundred games. 25 times the doc dies, 75 times the blue dies. On a general game overview,those games won't be separated. If you win 12.5 of the games that the doc dies and 25 times that the blue dies. You win 37.5 games overall.

Stop saying the math is wrong when you're incapable of doing basic probability.
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
NeverMaf
belovedprincess
NeverMaf
belovedprincess
we're talking about 4 town and 1 mafia and the 1 mafia trying to kill down to either a 1/2 or a 1/3 chance of his being lynched, right?
its 5 town and 1 maf
alright well, just readjust then. u can't just add up the 25% and the 12.5% tho. that 37.5% was a nonsense number

oh, so we're talking about mafia killing into potential autolose
its not autolose when mafia is gf or hooker or something that cant be checked by cop
pft, don't mind me, lol. have jaleb do the math for u tho
hedgeralmost 11 years ago
belovedprincess
we're talking about 4 town and 1 mafia and the 1 mafia trying to kill down to either a 1/2 or a 1/3 chance of his being lynched, right?
..... are you high.

Mafia killing a doc in 4 town = 1/4

If there's 4 unclears and one mafia, there's a 3/4 chance the mafia doesn't get lynched. If there's 3 unclears, then 2/3 chance.

The final night a clear will always die so the amount of unclears is reduced by the amount of unclears that were lynched, aka one.

AND I ALREADY SAID THAT THE NUMBERS WERE NOT IMPORTANT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT MAFIA CANT EXPECT TO WIN MORE GAMES IN THE LONG RUN NECESSARILY BY JUST USING THAT STRATEGY.
NeverMafalmost 11 years ago
belovedprincess
NeverMaf
belovedprincess
we're talking about 4 town and 1 mafia and the 1 mafia trying to kill down to either a 1/2 or a 1/3 chance of his being lynched, right?
its 5 town and 1 maf
alright well, just readjust then. u can't just add up the 25% and the 12.5% tho. that 37.5% was a nonsense number

oh, so we're talking about mafia killing into potential autolose
its not autolose when mafia is gf or hooker or something that cant be checked by cop
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
Onuzq
I knew the numbers were incorrect, I was reading it as if it was from connor's pov not hedger's
so u were trying to prove a point with nonsense?
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
NeverMaf
belovedprincess
we're talking about 4 town and 1 mafia and the 1 mafia trying to kill down to either a 1/2 or a 1/3 chance of his being lynched, right?
its 5 town and 1 maf
alright well, just readjust then. u can't just add up the 25% and the 12.5% tho. that 37.5% was a nonsense number

oh, so we're talking about mafia killing into potential autolose
Onuzqalmost 11 years ago
You're being obnoxious with saying that town has to give up advantages that they earned by mafia not being able to read people such as doc and not kill them in the night.