They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.
Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.
What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.
doc saving the one person that mafia has to kill to avoid autolose is actually GT. doc saving the clear when mafia can kill someone else to is not GT. but mods should never say something is "always a refund" because people will play for a refund.
similar to when people start trolling and throwing, the rest of town just gives up because they figure its a refund. they actually don't get it because they had a chance to win and are lazy af.
why would the game be refunded if mafia had to kill into auto loss and no killed?
also it's not like meteor refunds are the only thing that have no consistency. refunds in general have had no consistency for as long as i've been on this site and usually there's a hint of friend bias in most refund cases
if more ppl will agree and demand that actions need to be defined and documented, its possible that moderators will start to define them.
they should start with 1 or 2 actions and then move on. lets say define this: "when mafia has to kill into autolose and mafia opts to nk - it is always a refund" the violations will also be issued for town obviously by looking into each separate game and player intent where this action happens
its as simple as this: if mafia forces the kill on doc save over and over, but isn't in autoloss if they kill someone else, that's GT once meteor hits. because doing something over and over again will only result in meteor, assuming doc will tend to your needs rather than save the clear is just freaking stupid. i dont see 100% intent to win because in their head they're thinking "well i either get the clear or we all lose" meaning they know its a possibility to have meteor.
"one role used its power to save and forced auto loss = gt"
"another role used its power to kill and forced auto loss = not gt"
that is what i'm reading i think. don't you see how that is flawed lol
mafia is forced to kill outside a bound save target, if not they're liable. one role's power can't override another, especially to the point where one is responsible for the GT and not both
if its gt to doc on meteor night, then that means mafia can just nk until doc is forced to no save and then kill the clear in any setup. which is unfair for town
i used to be of the mindstate that doc should be allowed to save on the meteor night, but when you think about it logically there's no sense in that because if the role being targeted is the cop then the cop would have gotten 3 consecutive reports, and most likely the town is equip with a ML meaning the only reason they're no lynching is to avoid 4 way.
but with 3 reports and a doc alive you can lynch and go into 4way with 4 confirmed reports. Mafia are only hurting themselves when they continue to hit the doc save (if it's the cop)
it's not that your logic is wrong, you wanna stick with a rule that sticks closely to how things are at the moment. Under current rules, doc saving = gamethrowing - just make that the clear definition of how things should be. Which is fine, I just think you've ignored the opposing view a bit more than connor does, plus connor is using the fact that if mafia are being forced to kill, they should have the choice of who they kill, which isn't bad logic either.
That's a nerfed medic, and it should be a role on this site (I'm surprised that hasn't been added yet)
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what's wrong with my logic? i mean u could add in that the last person doc saved can't even be chosen on a following meteor night or something dumb like that, but that's all getting super contrived over nothing at all. the plain fact is that doc saving on meteor night is literally only injecting a loss-scenario into the night-phase
the reason is meteor reports are very infrequent so there hasn't been a serious discussion set on what should and shouldn't be refunded.
I mean, Nicole literally said the guy in this report was allowed to force meteor because his town read who could have been mafia was getting lynched lol
on the one hand i support the side of the argument that lets doc save on meteor night. on the other hand a lot of the people arguing for it are doing a terrible job and are pretty dumb and ignorant of the other side's argument. this must be what it feels like to be a republican
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