Epicmafia

Meteor rules

over 8 years

Admin please clarify the meteor rules.

Last time I checked it was pretty clear. But your current mods seem to have absolutely no idea about it.

https://epicmafia.com/report/151224 https://epicmafia.com/report/150499

They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.

Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.

What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.

Giga13

over 8 years

I can't fathom the logic from you guys honestly

if it's mafia meteor night and they hav autoloss they can nk BUT THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN WITH A COMPITENT TOWN

if its mafia meteor night and they dont have autoloss forcinf meteor by not going for who the doc shouldn't be on is GT

Hibiki

over 8 years

Giga13 says

Hibiki says

IT IS OPTIMAL FOR MAFIA TO SHOOT A BRICK WILL AND IT IS OPTIMAL FOR DOCTOR TO LET COP DIE IF IT IS METEOR NIGHT STOP PRETENDING IT ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You couldn't be more wrong lol

OK
MAKE YOUR CHOICE, GIGA, CHOOSE WISELY
WHICH IS MORE OPTIMAL FOR TOWN:

0% CHANCE OF METEOR
25% CHANCE OF METEOR

hedger

over 8 years

Everyone here has a valid point tbqh (although I think I lost where Jaleb's valid point was), it's just easy to see that there's a problem with the way things are atm. There's different ways of fixing it, but consistency is the main issue.

deletedover 8 years

Giga13 says

belovedprincess says

Giga13 says

Basically the people who disagree with me think Doctor shouldn't be allowed to save. These people therefore imply the role should be made useless which is stupid. So any time there's a doc save you're gonna allow mafia to hit it to eternity and expect the doc to go off of it, regardless of autoloss/not autoloss?

Unbelievable.

those are the mechanics of the game. the doc save is literally only with intent to gamethrow. cry more about simple facts.

lol

there's nothing to laugh at there. saving on meteor is literally only to offer the game up to a loss. the save goes through, the games is over. it doesn't play out as an action in any other way. it's gamethrowing. this is simple. stop crying that it's unfair or whatever bs

can u tell me another way the doc save plays out as an action? oh, it's just supposed to exist as some idea? no, doc wasn't throwing, he was just voting to save cop so mafia would choose not to kill cop? dumb. let the doc wifom, but the second he hammers a save, he's only offering the game up to a loss.

Hibiki

over 8 years

"i refuse to do my job correctly because someone called me stupid when i was being stupid"

Onuzq

over 8 years

f4 cases town should always lynch since it is a 50:50 either way.

Giga13

over 8 years

Hibiki says

IT IS OPTIMAL FOR MAFIA TO SHOOT A BRICK WILL AND IT IS OPTIMAL FOR DOCTOR TO LET COP DIE IF IT IS METEOR NIGHT STOP PRETENDING IT ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You couldn't be more wrong lol, Doc has the right to save the clear

Town has to lynch the day before if mafia are in autoloss on meteor night. If mafia aren't in autoloss before meteor night, town isn't required to lynch

Hibiki

over 8 years

IT IS OPTIMAL FOR MAFIA TO SHOOT A BRICK WILL AND IT IS OPTIMAL FOR DOCTOR TO LET COP DIE IF IT IS METEOR NIGHT STOP PRETENDING IT ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Giga13

over 8 years

Sorry not sorry dave I don't care to read your posts after you called me a moron lol

Giga13

over 8 years

NeverMaf says

then do that, reform it

Yeah if scum force meteor just to get a refund because they think they're gonna lose then this would be ideal (but they'd get Gamethrowing for it anyway though)

But if it happens on accident then it's the players' fault anyway, so a refund isn't required.

Hibiki

over 8 years

"the role should be made pointless which is stupid" is literally your entire argument and whether or not something is stupid DOES NOT AFFECT WHAT IS OPTIMAL AND WHAT ISNT

Onuzq

over 8 years

Also, why is there a doc in the game if he isn't allowed to save when everyone will appear innocent/guilty?

Hibiki

over 8 years

Giga13 says

pereking says

the only people who are truly wrong in this thread are the ones who believe their opinion is the objective truth

Refute me then

I ALREADY DID MORON

NeverMaf

over 8 years

then do that, reform it

Giga13

over 8 years

NeverMaf says

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I would, ideally, like everyone to know what is allowed and what isn't but not everyone does therefore intent is the determining factor more often than not

exactly, but you can not define forcing meteor as GT. there can be cases that a player blatantly claims he did it on purpose, then you can rule it as GT

Yeah it's case by case basis. But in an ideal world people know what's allowed and what's not therefore in this ideal world it could be ruled as GT/Not GT. But we can't do that. So it varies.

i agreee. but refunds should be ruled after actions done, not after violations issued, this is what players want. to define actions which are refundable, i dont think that has been done clearly ever.

Yeah afaik it hasn't

Onuzq

over 8 years

Just a note, I didn't actually want to type it up because there is so much of a variable based on meta for the meteor threat.

Giga13

over 8 years

belovedprincess says

Giga13 says

Basically the people who disagree with me think Doctor shouldn't be allowed to save. These people therefore imply the role should be made useless which is stupid. So any time there's a doc save you're gonna allow mafia to hit it to eternity and expect the doc to go off of it, regardless of autoloss/not autoloss?

Unbelievable.

those are the mechanics of the game. the doc save is literally only with intent to gamethrow. cry more about simple facts.

lol

NeverMaf

over 8 years

Giga13 says

NeverMaf says

Giga13 says

Giga13 says

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Giga13 says

I would, ideally, like everyone to know what is allowed and what isn't but not everyone does therefore intent is the determining factor more often than not

exactly, but you can not define forcing meteor as GT. there can be cases that a player blatantly claims he did it on purpose, then you can rule it as GT

Yeah it's case by case basis. But in an ideal world people know what's allowed and what's not therefore in this ideal world it could be ruled as GT/Not GT. But we can't do that. So it varies.

i agreee. but refunds should be ruled after actions done, not after violations issued, this is what players want. to define actions which are refundable, i dont think that has been done clearly ever.

Giga13

over 8 years

vilden says

"intent" does not matter (thus a GT vio) if either are true:

-the meteor mechanics were explained properly during the game, or

-the person showed they understood meteor mechanics based on their content & experience

Yes. This. I look for this. Everyone should look for this. If this happens and the person shows they understand then it's Gamethrowing. If it doesn't then it becomes harder to judge.

P.S. I know I said my other post was my last post but it wasn't so sue me

hedger

over 8 years

belovedprincess says

hedger says

belovedprincess says

hedger says

yeah, also kinda funny that the only thing I got mad about was you saying my maths was wrong.

good math bro lol. i think i might've just trolled both of us tbh

I was hoping you were trolling but the general vibe that the thread was going said you weren't, lmao

well i did the same basic probability u were talking about only under different circumstances =p

honestly i am unsure what just transpired here, but it worked out very funnily lol

numbers are funny things....

Onuzq

over 8 years

6 alive: Clear, Doc, 3 blues, 1 mafia

Killing in unclears:
>25% hitting doc (usually greater if mafia can actually pr read), then two people can be picked out of 4 (2/4 chance of winning)
<75% hitting blue (again mafia can usually pr read), then hitting two people can be picked out of 3 (1/3 chance of winning with swag)

Begging Doc to not save:
Choosing a lynch out of 4
20% chance doc has to claim
(X)% mafia gets lynched (depends on the meta of number of people who play and have respect for the doc saves/reads)
(100-X)% mafia survives (again meta):
20% doc claims:
100% hitting doc (1/3 lynch)
80% doc doesn't claim:
33% Hitting doc. (1/3 lynch)
66% Hitting blue (Has 1/2 and can choose who he wants to cc)

Since you're hoping that everyone will start going into the meta of banging their gun at a brick wall would reduce the number of people alive it'll split worlds into two cases anyway. At the end, you'll have to play both ways else people will figure you out.

The correct way to play the game with mafia trying to kill cop should be done this way:

Lynch in f6
1/5 of hitting mafia without doc claiming.
(I don't want to assess all cases) Doc saves (town gains an extra ml potential auto)
Town pretty much gets an autowin if it wasn't on the clear
(1-w/e it is above) Doc doesn't save/gets night killed
1/3 lynch for mafia (town can decide if they want to keep cop alive or sacrifice him for 0 clears)

vilden

over 8 years

"intent" does not matter (thus a GT vio) if either are true:

-the meteor mechanics were explained properly during the game, or

-the person showed they understood meteor mechanics based on their content & experience

NeverMaf

over 8 years

Giga13 says

Basically the people who disagree with me think Doctor shouldn't be allowed to save. These people therefore imply the role should be made useless which is stupid. So any time there's a doc save you're gonna allow mafia to hit it to eternity and expect the doc to go off of it, regardless of autoloss/not autoloss?

Unbelievable.

this is because meteor is broken, ppl do not understand it, and moderators are inconsistent with refunds. i have seen moderators say plain and simple: meteors are not refundable (this might have changed but i dunno), so mafia can just throw the game and town will lose and not get a refund

Giga13

over 8 years

NeverMaf says

Giga13 says

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Giga13 says

I would, ideally, like everyone to know what is allowed and what isn't but not everyone does therefore intent is the determining factor more often than not

exactly, but you can not define forcing meteor as GT. there can be cases that a player blatantly claims he did it on purpose, then you can rule it as GT

Yeah it's case by case basis. But in an ideal world people know what's allowed and what's not therefore in this ideal world it could be ruled as GT/Not GT. But we can't do that. So it varies.

deletedover 8 years

Giga13 says

Basically the people who disagree with me think Doctor shouldn't be allowed to save. These people therefore imply the role should be made useless which is stupid. So any time there's a doc save you're gonna allow mafia to hit it to eternity and expect the doc to go off of it, regardless of autoloss/not autoloss?

Unbelievable.

those are the mechanics of the game. the doc save is literally only with intent to gamethrow. cry more about simple facts.