They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.
Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.
What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.
jaleb you are being obnoxiously wrong and it really has no place here, all you've done is arbitrarily define something as "abuse" and decide we're worse players for it
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years agoedited
if so, the odds aren't 37.5% that mafia will win if they hit outside cop. actually they're higher. i mean, obviously. most of the time the mafia gets a 50/50, then some of the time mafia gets even better odds. odds are like ~55% win
the only mathematical errors are those to do with scumhunting bias/doc hunting bias somewhat and most of those will differ in each situation, and I haven't included those. (And I've assumed that doc claims in the mafia killing cop the next day and if I don't include that, that will make the percentage of time mafia wins in that situation lower anyway).
Mafia only wins if they get to the last 3 and win. They will win 66% of the time it gets to 3 way but it only gets to 3 way (75% of the time the 70% of the time they don't automatically lose the game). 3/4*7/10*2/3? where have I gone wrong?
And if they kill for doc. 25% of the time they'll kill doc, they'll win 50% of games the times they do kill doc (same % as cop dying), so 12.5% of overall games.
If they hit a blue, which is 75% of the time, they'll win 33% of the time = 25%. Where have I gone wrong with my math?
Feel free to point it out, it's midnight and my brain is kinda dead but I struggle to see where I screwed up
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
and odds shouldn't come into it as regards whether the doc saves or not btw. people's actions are hardly quantifiable that way. there is only that one night-role has potential benefit, while one only has the potential to bring about an insta-loss. the mafia aren't committing any infraction in hitting the cop. they might play a part in bringing about the game's end, but they're not the ultimate arbiters of that loss. simple.
actually, going back on what i said, it doesn't NEED to become "common" knowledge, because it only takes one townie to know. and when that townie knows, they realise that lynching on the day before the meteor becomes optimal, so meteor nights STOP before they have a chance to happen. it will become norm to lynch as town just before meteor night if theres a doctor + clear involved
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years ago
that is all really bad math hedger, but i'm not redoing it for u. needless to say, u are wrong
hedger, the "number of doctors who dont realise saving on meteor is bad" goes down when mods start handling the reports properly, and making an announcement that "doctor saving on meteor night hurts your win condition, even if there is a clear".
it can easily become common knowledge, just like GAI mafia NKing meteor scenarios
this is why I think the rules are horrid as they are. I agree with the second part (that doctor saving is worse), but I think most of the time mafia are just looking for an easy way out, that they won't get blamed for the loss cuz they can say "well doc should have played logically".
I'm sorry for picking up numbers out of the air, but let's just say.
Doc saves clear on meteor 30% of the time (no idea whether that number is true or anything). Using the cop/doc/3 blues example, and just pure math.
So mafia will win 35% of the time by using this strategy.
Mafia killing for doc:
Hit doc:
Win = 1/4(3/4*2/3) = 6/48 = 12.5%
Not hit doc:
Win = 3/4(2/3*1/2) = 6/24 = 25%
So they would win 37.5% of the time using this strategy. Again don't trust the numbers but it's basically saying that once you take into the account that there's a chance that doc will save on meteor, it's not necessarily optimal to kill cop.
deleteddeletedalmost 11 years agoedited
i mean whatever about abusing meteor mechanics, but they're part of the game, and not that exploitable anyway, so...
the doc literally partakes in an action of which no good can come of, only a potential insta-loss
if u want to make some rule about mafia not being allowed to bully a pr kill like that, then fine, do that. and it all gets contrived af where the doc just pretty blatantly gamethrew
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