They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.
Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.
What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.
congratulations on getting me to post caremad about a topic that should be 100% irrelevant to me since i lost interest in both playing and moderating mafia. i couldn't help myself. just stop being stupid ok
"oh, but connor, that's not fair because it's doctor's instinct to save! that's what the role does" who cares. literally irrelevant to the logic, and that logic is not difficult to explain. any informed player can choose not to save, it can very easily become widely accepted to never-save-on-meteor
"but connor, it's not fair because mafia can kill the cop while the doctor is still alive!"
again, this is really dumb, the meteor takes 3 nights to happen which means the cop gets 3 nights of reports, which makes it worth it, then you can just lynch the day before meteor night. who cares if it's mylo or ML+1, you got 3 reports out of it, and mafia, when they learn what's good for them, will kill outside of the cop in future games
"but connor, what if the role doesn't get reports? or the reports are useless? mafia should be forced to kill an unclear"
you should realise that mafia killing an unclear in this situation only hurts their win condition. the goal of the night kill is to remove the input from clears without reducing the lynch-pool that mafia can hide in. by successfully killing the doctor, they aren't helping their win condition, they are merely NOT HURTING it (excluding social elements) because the number of blues alive that they can hide in stays the same. they have an option to not-reduce that pool but constantly hitting the doc save. whether or not this is "fair" isn't up to you to decide, the meteor is a mechanic just like anything else in the game, and as long as it's not a bug, mafia (and town) can use it however they like
i know this, but the fact that it's considered normal for doctors to actively save on meteor and EXPECT MAFIA TO OFF-KILL DESPITE BEING SUB-OPTIMAL TO THEIR WIN CONDITION is directly the fault of moderators who actively argue that somehow DIRECTLY & INTENTIONALLY DOING AN ACTION THAT CAN'T HELP (ONLY HURT) YOUR WIN CONDITION AS DOCTOR IS OK
it's NOT playing for your win condition by saving on meteor night because COP DEATH is BETTER than a LOSS.
it's not dumb, and you're wrong. on that night, the doctor can no longer influence who mafia kills, and by saving someone they directly undertake an action that hurts their win condition.
we're not talking about autoloss for mafia to kill (like GAI with orc/bomb/blue ccs), we're talking about doc saving a clear.
Think about 6 players left, Only one mafia (godfather is left), one doc, one cop, 3 blues. Meteor is on mafia and doc is hidden.
Mafia killing blue would lead to a 3 way 1 clear (assuming blue lynched the following day).
Mafia killing doc or say doc no saves (abide by rules on meteor), leads to 3 way no clears (unless doc doesn't out and survives the following night but ignoring those kind of scenarios here).
Doc compares the two scenarios, and says "wow, if the cop dies, town are in a much worse position, why should I have to let the cop die?" That's why the intent to gamethrow is much less evident in this case.
To make this quite simple, the point of meteors being at either NIGHT or DAY is that it rewards the team that gained that advantage. When meteor is on day, it forces the town to lynch when optimally they wouldn't. When meteor is on night, it forces the mafia to kill when they'd rather not.
So mafia should be forced to kill for doc in this situation. Also if you change the meteor rule to reflect this, you'd realise there'd be a lot less meteors forced at night.
Same goes for doc. If you want someone to die, why would you want to save anyone? You know very well that if you save the game ends in loss for everybody. The mafia is making a move by trying to kill someone. How would he know that the person being saved is the person they are killing?
i dont know any by heart but i remember there were refunds before and i have fought against mods to explain me why my losses on meteors werent refunded and others were refunded, possible that recently nothing was refunded but time after time they refund
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Idk what this thread was about before, but now it's for dissing faceless scapegoat mod jeffreyaaron
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Jeffreyaaron mishammers the report just like he mishammerered lylo and his Five Guys application
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Jeffreyaaron can't fos 1/3 with a mafia team of maymay, justrec, and caroline . Is he literate enough to ask other mods what the precedent is and then do exactly what they tell him?
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