They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.
Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.
What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.
p.s. instead of pushing for lucid to restrict night actions from power roles (Which would inevitably end up massively glitching the games somehow much like most of his updates)
you could just push for bettering the mentor program and including meteor understanding in it and what is and isn't allowed o.o
Basically the people who disagree with me think Doctor shouldn't be allowed to save. These people therefore imply the role should be made useless which is stupid. So any time there's a doc save you're gonna allow mafia to hit it to eternity and expect the doc to go off of it, regardless of autoloss/not autoloss?
Unbelievable.
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well i did the same basic probability u were talking about only under different circumstances =p
honestly i am unsure what just transpired here, but it worked out very funnily lol
exactly, but you can not define forcing meteor as GT. there can be cases that a player blatantly claims he did it on purpose, then you can rule it as GT
runwithfire sent a message to NeverMaf 24mon 4d ago « Back Reply Do so if you want, but they chose the loss. For you it just sucks but I asked and no one else refunds for that either
Ok this is my last post on the matter (because it's raw, objective truth) and yes there are capital letters because I love the stench they emit:
Doc is ALWAYS allowed to save a clear. Mafia HAVE to kill outside ON A METEOR NIGHT unless it puts them in AUTOLOSS.
If the town knows Mafia is in autoloss and cannot kill, it is up to the town to lynch on a day before the meteor. RECOGNIZING AUTOLOSS IS THE PROBLEM OF THE PLAYERS; AUTOLOSS RECOGNITION IN ITSELF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE METEOR MECHANIC
If this isn't followed, it destroys the fundementals of the doctor role AND the Mafia's objective; if Mafia are going for the clear on a meteor night when going for doc instead IS NOT AUTOLOSS, then Mafia is Gamethrowing.
Let me assure you that I completely understand your point b. Let's test this: We have bomb, orc, a blue and nilla. Mafia can't hit bomb or mafia loses, they can't hit oracle as that would either reveal him as mafia or the last blue, thus mafia loses, and killing your cc is a loss as well. Let's say that mafia killed another blue some nights before and town nled. Town decides to nl each day until the meteor message appears during day. Town has to lynch now. If they don't lynch and draw the game, the last town who voted in a manner/way as to force NL will get GT violation and the game will be refunded. So you are wondering: Why wasn't the game I provided refunded? There is a difference in the fact that mafia could have killed during previous nights. There was no bomb or orc. Mafia was able to kill anyone from the three blues left but they didn't. Mafia was NOT facing autolose. Maybe it sounds odd, but the difference is huge. In the b) case mafia couldn't kill, in this one mafia could go to 3way. Sorry, but if you don't get this I don't know how exactly am I to explain this any clearer. From the outside point it seems like we are refunding games villy-nilly but it's not the case.
comment from me: mantys was a mod at that time. last part Mantys is trying to explain to me a situation with 4 unclears with 1 mafia in them. mafia was forced to kill (meteor night) and he opted not to kill, mantys says its not refundable. i cant find the game but thats exactly what he is saying.
mantys sent a message to NeverMaf 22mon 5d ago « Back Reply Hi banned user. I told you before I am not gonna explain this SIMPLE mechanic again to you, but you are adamant that there is something wrong here. Ok, so let's start from the beginning.
a) it is 4way situation with meteor on mafia. if mafia nk, you refund the game? mantys answer: If mafia is NOT facing autolose, they will get a GT violation and the game is refunded. If you have all these "degrees" you mentioned, reread what I wrote and what you wrote. If you can't spot the difference, I'm done explaining.
b) it is 4way situation with meteor on town. every alive person agrees to nl. you dont refund the game? mantys answer:. No I wouldn't refund the game. I explained why before.
c) it is 4way situation with meteor on mafia. orc and bomb are clears. everybody in town agrees to nl. mafia nk. mantys answer (all the long text is the answer): Mafia is not forced to kill in this situation, because they ARE facing autolose if they kill. They don't need to kill at all, and why would they? To lose the game? Instead of losing the game and town gaining points, they draw the game and nobody gains points.
The rule states: Forcing a draw while you are not facing autolose is GTing as killing would give you a chance to win. This means: If you are not faced with an autolose, you have to kill/lynch. The last player voting in a manner or way that would force NL/NK in this situation will receive a GT violation and the game will be refunded.
Meteor rules
