can we do this? gunsmith has been around for years and there has never been an objectively good gun setup, and thats because guns are horrible for competitive. Giving one person the ability to remove another from the game is a terrible idea for competitions and is ridiculously easy to throw games/troll with. Yeah, guns are fun but fun has never been the #1 priority for the competition and variety has never been a factor when deciding to ban the dozens of roles and setups that arent allowed to be made competitive.
Fair point, though I always think about it in terms of what /should/ be. Vent does get trolled I know, but that's not so much a Vents fault, but the people who play it, hence I prefer giving it a shot. If people got used to it and stopped going all like "OMG vent" then perhaps it would balance out to the better
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deletedJul 9, 2014 guns have been instrumental in the demise in the quality of game-play since they: (1) needlessly further empower a clear reducing the requirement of participation by other roles which, by extension, encourages apathy and lackluster participation; (2) stifles the reads that can be elicited from a unanimous lynch and (3) just make the games infinitely more toxic as the entirety of the game revolves around appealing to the player with the gun.
without a gun in play, you have to be suspected by >50% to be lynched. with a gun in play, you have to be suspected by just one person with a varying level of skill to be shot. again, mafia should be about the better alignment winning the game, not one person.
Also you can't make any claims about one bad round. Maybe if you went to look at all the gun rounds and the rounds around them and it was consistently the case, but we know that's not true
I bet I can make an argument for allowing vent to be competitive that is just as valid as the arguments being made in favor of guns here, but that doesn't mean that vents belong in competitive, because they limit thinking and encourage trolling.
