about 7 years

Hello everyone! I would like to ask the people who are interested in this event to participate and contribute as much as possible.

In order for 2 new roles to be added to em, the community has to work together to refine the ideas that are going to be mentioned below. We have to collectively select 2 of the best ideas and make sure their version is the best one possible. The next step would be to come up with some sort of artwork for the selected roles. Lucid mentioned something about rewarding the users behind the artwork that would get selected in the end for those 2 roles.

Jack the Ripper (originally Hypocrite)

  • Jack the Ripper hates anyone who kills.
  • Jack the Ripper only wins when the game ends and all murderers are dead.
  • If Jack the Ripper receives a gun or knife and kills someone with it, he will not consider himself a murderer.
  • To Jack the Ripper, murderers are killing roles or any other player that has successfully eliminated someone else (shot, stabbed, blown up, etc.)
  • If a player survives one of these actions, Jack the Ripper will not consider the attacker a murderer. (~Jennings)

Cat Lady

  • Chooses one player every night. The player is instantly alerted that a cat is at their door. They have two options: Kill the cat, and let it go. If you kill the cat, you are roleblocked and the Cat Lady doesn't know who was visited. If you let it go, the Cat Lady learns your role.
  • Sided with the mafia. (~Her)

Robinhood

  • Visits two people, taking all items from the first and giving them to the second (cannot visit self either way)
  • Action fails if trying to steal from a mafia
  • Sided with the village (~Torreador)

Vice President

  • If the president dies, takes their place
  • All townies immediately receive a message of their new president
  • Attends mafia meetings, and makes them anonymous
  • Cannot win if they are the vice president (~Alyssa)

Gossiper

  • Chooses one person every night.
  • Will see some whispers this person receives/makes.
  • Gossiper's action does not count as a visit.
  • Sided with the mafia. (~Soluciones)

(revising) the Seer

  • Knows all mafia from the beginning of the game.
  • If lynched at the end of the game, the last mafia can guess who the Seer is for autowin.
  • If the Seer dies, they will appear as a random (non-mafia) role in the setup and their will will always be blank. If dead, the mafia can still attempt a guess to the Seer's identity at the end of the game.
  • If there are multiple Seers in a game, only one Seer will know the mafia at any given time.
  • If there are two mafias and multiple Seers, the knowledge of the mafias will be split between them.
  • Sided with the village. (~Shwartz99)

Whistleblower

  • Once per game can force someone to vote someone else. Vote cannot be OT'D if it is a hammer. Sided with maf (Will create more tension in selfing/hammering based setups (~Moldyches)

Soldier

  • If they are the last man standing against a single mafia or third party, the village wins.
  • Sided with the village. (~XFire)

PowerTown

  • Each night chooses a power role from the options provided to him. (the mods should determine the list)
  • Night meeting goes accordingly
  • Sided with the village

PowerMafia

  • Each night chooses a mafia role from the list.
  • Night meeting goes accordingly
  • Sided with the mafia
What is your favorite role mentioned in this thread?
50
Cat Lady
26
Vice President
22
the Seer
12
Robinhood
12
Soldier
6
Jack the Ripper
6
Whistleblower
4
Gossiper
almost 7 years

LioneI says


but even with the self-vote of 1, i could have just had them cross and hammer by nling, the person who dies was voted by the prosec. tbh i think this role is just a sucky role that is only meant for bw setups that don't involve lylo day 1


That requires maf to get a free lynch on town, and often town can't afford that. So. It's not that bad.
almost 7 years

jacobkrin says

bad role ideas


Self aware at least
almost 7 years

jacobkrin says

i'm here to add to my ongoing list of bad role ideas

Vampire
-Each night, the vampires choose one person.
-That person has a 50% chance of becoming a vampire, and a 50% chance of bleeding.
-If the vampires visit a priest, they all die.
-Wins if everyone's a vampire.


nice
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i'm here to add to my ongoing list of bad role ideas

Vampire
-Each night, the vampires choose one person.
-That person has a 50% chance of becoming a vampire, and a 50% chance of bleeding.
-If the vampires visit a priest, they all die.
-Wins if everyone's a vampire.
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Btw lucid can we have patch notes, or just a place where we know when and what's fixed, added, etc.
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if anything, i would say, go in between. allow it to include itself once per game
almost 7 years

wilI says

So I was powering through some old roles and can we have a complete rehash of the chef? I think on it's own the idea is brilliant, but it has two caveats.

A. chef shouldn't be able to chef themselves. I saw that on the comments for it.

B. the chef meeting SHOULDN'T roleblock or save.
It should be a meeting that is purely for investigative purposes that ONLY that chef knows that participants of.

The advent of quiet night has made chef a much more interesting role competitively. It's possible to CC chef now.

I'd like to put it in a setup but the role logic for it vs it's description makes it too much of a powerhouse.

That's all :D


Yeah I like this whole idea. Chef is a role that’s almost perfect (relative to itself). It would be a much better role with these changes.
almost 7 years

wilI says

So I was powering through some old roles and can we have a complete rehash of the chef? I think on it's own the idea is brilliant, but it has two caveats.

A. chef shouldn't be able to chef themselves. I saw that on the comments for it.

B. the chef meeting SHOULDN'T roleblock or save.
It should be a meeting that is purely for investigative purposes that ONLY that chef knows that participants of.

The advent of quiet night has made chef a much more interesting role competitively. It's possible to CC chef now.

I'd like to put it in a setup but the role logic for it vs it's description makes it too much of a powerhouse.

That's all :D


nobody plays chef in ranked. also, the only way that that seems dangerous is if there is only lone mafia.
almost 7 years

BrigitteLindholm says

Yes. Also, for the love of god! Make prosecutor's self-vote count for 1. I mean, generally judge doesn't need it because nobody selfs to kill judge. But you could make it apply to judge too. The thing is, a LOT of good potential prosecutor setups are just impossible thanks to town's ability to have everyone self and the prosecutor would die. It's the reason my best setup had to be mod downvoted to be removed from ranked because I thankfully noticed this before anyone abused it to pointfarm.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1462597

There's almost nothing to lose by making prosecutor's self-vote count for 1.


i have mentioned this before, but there was this one rarted dawnstart setup i played with 1 monkey, 3 snowmen, and 1 prosecutor. all i did was out day 1 as monkey, and have them self. i nled, and prosec already voted.

but even with the self-vote of 1, i could have just had them cross and hammer by nling, the person who dies was voted by the prosec. tbh i think this role is just a sucky role that is only meant for bw setups that don't involve lylo day 1
almost 7 years

Golbolco says


SteelixMega says

There are other roles like Hunter, doppelganger (nomad) and insomniac (sleepwalker, but different), but I think that those would confuse the game a bit too much


I've seen Insomniac before, I remember liking it. But I think it would require the list of players to be randomized, no?


i don't know. all i know is that it chooses a role in the center and switches the role.

as i have said, there are 3 cards in the center that nobody owns. So maybe, what to do is assign the cards to sample players, but disable meetings.
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Yes. Also, for the love of god! Make prosecutor's self-vote count for 1. I mean, generally judge doesn't need it because nobody selfs to kill judge. But you could make it apply to judge too. The thing is, a LOT of good potential prosecutor setups are just impossible thanks to town's ability to have everyone self and the prosecutor would die. It's the reason my best setup had to be mod downvoted to be removed from ranked because I thankfully noticed this before anyone abused it to pointfarm.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1462597

There's almost nothing to lose by making prosecutor's self-vote count for 1.
almost 7 years
So I was powering through some old roles and can we have a complete rehash of the chef? I think on it's own the idea is brilliant, but it has two caveats.

A. chef shouldn't be able to chef themselves. I saw that on the comments for it.

B. the chef meeting SHOULDN'T roleblock or save.
It should be a meeting that is purely for investigative purposes that ONLY that chef knows that participants of.

The advent of quiet night has made chef a much more interesting role competitively. It's possible to CC chef now.

I'd like to put it in a setup but the role logic for it vs it's description makes it too much of a powerhouse.

That's all :D
almost 7 years
Do you? I don't ever see it, but I stick to main lobby. Cat Lady was intended as a role who didn't know who she was sending a cat to and would only find out the player and their role if they let the cat in. But if they don't, they're roleblocked. It should also probably only apply to non-maf players and cycle through different players, but I never actually specified that so I don't blame staff for that one. It was originally supposed to be a mafia role, but I suggested it as a town-modified role. That's why I didn't think it mattered so much if the visiting was random. Either way, with it maf-sided, I was originally planning to sell or at least utilise my version of mafia in something like Tabletop Simulator, so it was a slap in the face to have my role misused like that.

See, I was banned at the time the role was added. Not due to breaking a rule, but because I asked to have my accounts banned. But Jon wanted me to contact him if I wanted the accounts unbanned. I needed to have them unbanned so I could request them to remove Cat Lady from the poll but Jon didn't get on Discord. So it got implemented and I created this new account and now mods keep refusing to unban my accounts. They probably don't want the person who's actually credited for coming up with the role posting about it.
almost 7 years

BrigitteLindholm says

Cat Lady role still needs to be removed. I was working on my own version of the werewolf/mafia format which the Cat Lady role was a part of, but I decided to suggest it on EM because I wanted to improve the site just a little. Then Jon and Lucid completely changed what the role did, making it incredibly useless in the process. Seriously, do you see anyone put Cat Lady in a setup? No.


Why is car lady useless? I'm jw. I'm not too farmiliar with the role, but we do use it in unranked/sandbox.
almost 7 years
Cat Lady role still needs to be removed. I was working on my own version of the werewolf/mafia format which the Cat Lady role was a part of, but I decided to suggest it on EM because I wanted to improve the site just a little. Then Jon and Lucid completely changed what the role did, making it incredibly useless in the process. Seriously, do you see anyone put Cat Lady in a setup? No.
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No it's not
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Thank you for adding all this cool new stuff and considering all these new ideas through this huge pile of content of a thread, lucid
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lucaskart says

Reposting my idea and adding a new one:
Photographer:
.In the morning the Photographer takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery and share the photo with someone.
.If the role selected was a town role, then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows.
.Then they can change or not their role to the deceased member's role if they are a town member.
.Sided with village.

Heiress: (Idea from user tinynanami, icon by me)
.At night, may choose one dead player to inherit all their items.
.Sided with village.


heiress reminds me of graverobber
almost 7 years

shayneismyname says


shayneismyname says

Small bug: Ok I'm not sure if you made it so mastermind can't have a sidekick or something, but I've never seen that happen before. But I was just in a game where I was sidekick but had no meeting (I was alone) and was so confused. It turns out my I was the Usurper's sidekick.


Edit: Okay, so apparently mm can have a sidekick, but they get their own 2nd meeting with them. Have this be the case for Usurper and sidekick.


ok fixed usurper + sidekick
almost 7 years

shayneismyname says

Small bug: Ok I'm not sure if you made it so mastermind can't have a sidekick or something, but I've never seen that happen before. But I was just in a game where I was sidekick but had no meeting (I was alone) and was so confused. It turns out my I was the Usurper's sidekick.


Edit: Okay, so apparently mm can have a sidekick, but they get their own 2nd meeting with them. Have this be the case for Usurper and sidekick.
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Edit: nvm apparently it was always like this
almost 7 years

Golbolco says

Not a fan of the name "Switcher" because I can't imagine how to sprite that.


maybe impersonator, twin of Troublemaker. Chaos can just be like a regular villager, but with a purple shirt (like commuter, but red-violet) and olive-green eyes or something, and having two a double arrow in front of his face, like a <==>
almost 7 years
Reposting my idea and adding a new one:
Photographer:
.In the morning the Photographer takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery and share the photo with someone.
.If the role selected was a town role, then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows.
.Then they can change or not their role to the deceased member's role if they are a town member.
.Sided with village.

Heiress: (Idea from user tinynanami, icon by me)
.At night, may choose one dead player to inherit all their items.
.Sided with village.