SteelixMega says

Admin, lately I have been seeing videos of a mafia variant called "one night ultimate werewolf", and I think that it can be made into a gamemode

One Night can be pretty seamlessly translated into EM. Just add a game mode where the team that gets lynched first loses immediately. I'm not sure what the icon should be though.

Admin, lately I have been seeing videos of a mafia variant called "one night ultimate werewolf", and I think that it can be made into a gamemode

Golbolco says

That could be cool. When a whisper leaks, does everyone hear it or is it random selection?

it's a random selection atm

That could be cool. When a whisper leaks, does everyone hear it or is it random selection?

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SteelixMega says

Archaeologist + Historian

I don't really think Historian needs to check what someone's final vote was. You can find that info using the voting log function. otherwise, I'd say it's a good role, but shouldn't say who they visited on which night. It should just give out a list of names in random order.

Archaeologist I dislike. I think it's better to just have a role that takes items from dead players; learning what items they had isn't really useful. You could have a mafia variant called Graverobber. The second part, learning who visited them, should be spun off into another role entirely.

So I would do it like this:

Historian:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players that the dead player visited, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Archaeologist:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the village.

Graverobber:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the mafia.

Coroner:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players of all the players that visited the dead player, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Golbolco says

Going through my mailbox now.

SteelixMega says

Archaeologist + Historian

I don't really think Historian needs to check what someone's final vote was. You can find that info using the voting log function. otherwise, I'd say it's a good role, but shouldn't say who they visited on which night. It should just give out a list of names in random order.

Archaeologist I dislike. I think it's better to just have a role that takes items from dead players; learning what items they had isn't really useful. You could have a mafia variant called Graverobber. The second part, learning who visited them, should be spun off into another role entirely.

So I would do it like this:

Historian:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players that the dead player visited, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Archaeologist:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the village.

Graverobber:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the mafia.

Coroner:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players of all the players that visited the dead player, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Now im getting ideas like if we had a Janitor GS setup and the GS claims they gunned dead, Arcaeologist can confirm if the GS is lying... interesting!

Possessed villager + Hypnotist + Solo Operative + Gangster

wist says

Not sure how much that makes sense. You could remake the popular setup fancy pants for example with a closed role village box with these 4 prs in it.
The other roles would stay the same and be effectively locked.

In sandbox it would just be the other way around.

You'd have 8-9 randomized boxes and 2-3 set roles in every game.
Not sure how sandbox games are preferred to be played but that way the favorite roles can be there with a good variety. Without locks.

I like this idea for covering locked roles too. I think it just gets rolled into Lucid's idea though, right?

Not sure how much that makes sense. You could remake the popular setup fancy pants for example with a closed role village box with these 4 prs in it.
The other roles would stay the same and be effectively locked.

In sandbox it would just be the other way around.

You'd have 8-9 randomized boxes and 2-3 set roles in every game.
Not sure how sandbox games are preferred to be played but that way the favorite roles can be there with a good variety. Without locks.

hmm, yea i think the way i described should be able to generate the setup you imagine as well, by having two slots, one is locked, the other is the same as having a pool to select from (and you can have multiple pools).

there's also the question of conditional roles (if this role appears, that role must be in there). not sure how to model

Evil Tree + Elf + Dark Elf

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SteelixMega says

Archaeologist + Historian

I don't really think Historian needs to check what someone's final vote was. You can find that info using the voting log function. otherwise, I'd say it's a good role, but shouldn't say who they visited on which night. It should just give out a list of names in random order.

Archaeologist I dislike. I think it's better to just have a role that takes items from dead players; learning what items they had isn't really useful. You could have a mafia variant called Graverobber. The second part, learning who visited them, should be spun off into another role entirely.

So I would do it like this:

Historian:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players that the dead player visited, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Archaeologist:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the village.

Graverobber:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Steals their items.
-Sided with the mafia.

Coroner:
-Visits one dead player each night.
-Receives a list of all the players of all the players that visited the dead player, in no particular order.
-Sided with the village.

Archaeologist + Historian

admin says

admin says

Golbolco says

Since we're adding game modes, can we add this old idea as a submode for closed roles setups?

"Locked Roles"
-For the Closed Roles system.
-Locked Roles are a constant in the randomized setup that will make the Closed Roles system more a more versatile, and hopefully more viable, setup-making tool.
-When adding roles to a closed role setup, you would "add" the role once to add it to the randomized roster, the add it one more time to "lock" it, guaranteeing that it will be present in the setup in that number.
-Adding it again will then ALSO add it to the random roster as well as the locked roster. One more time will remove it from the random roster and add two locked roles. Then 2 and the random roster, then 3, then 3 and the random roster, and so on.

It wouldn't need an icon or anything, it just exists for when you select Closed Roles as a game option.

how about a system where instead of just choosing from a pool of alignments, you can have multiple slots. each slot will have it's own pool of roles and a number of those roles to fulfill. the setup is then generated from that? that should fit all use-cases?

maybe each slot can have alignment selectors, with subsequent rules like (except role 1 or 2) or (and role 3 or 4)

I was imagining it more like to when you make a multisetup: you would select a little lock symbol and then a second tab for adding the locked roles appears. The first slot is still selected entirely at random Your idea is good too though, we can probably combine them in some way. “Procedurally generated mafia” I guess?

I didn't know how to create a role with the role logic given so I'll give my 3 elf based role ideas here.
This should be fully coherent if anyone has questions.


Evil treestump.



Elf
Has elfen magic they can cast during the day once per game.
Elfen magic transforms the target into a tree (if town/Third party) or an evil tree (mafia).
Trees cannot be killed or converted.
Once a tree, cannot vote, loses all abilities. (Like how mimic would steal all the abilities from a PR.)
Can be killed if doused and lit by an Arsonist.
Evil trees do not count towards mafia majority, and count towards the mafia night chat.
Cannot be targeted by any meetings on Night One.
Sided with the town




Dark elf.
Has dark elfen magic they can cast during the day once per game.
Dark elfen magic can override the lynch once per game, transforming the lynched target into an evil tree.
If the lynch is overriden from Hunter or Paparazzi, they still can perform their actions, but they won't die.
Evil trees cannot be killed or converted.
Once a tree, cannot vote, and loses all abilities.
Can be killed if doused and lit by an arsonist.
Evil trees are sided with the mafia, but do not count towards mafia majority.
Evil trees participate in the mafia night chat.
Sided with the mafia.
Participates in mafia meetings.