Epicmafia

Sexism and Racism.

almost 8 years

Sexism and racism is inherently linked to power, in such a way that women can't (really) be sexist towards men, and black people can't (really) be racist towards white people.

Yes there are exceptions, I don't want someone to bring up some 3,000 year old civilization that was dominated by black people where they had more privilege.

Racism and sexism are inherently a privilege issue, you can bring up all the cases you want of hate crimes against men from extremists or hate crimes against white people from black people - but it's not racism.

It's discrimination.

If you want to make a case against this then you can prove that women have more privilege than men, or that black people have more privilege than white people.

Maybe it's sad to say that this is primarily the american scope that I'm speaking of, I'm an american so I'm more in tune with american politics and the racial scope in this area.

Discuss.

snoodledoodledoo

almost 8 years

ur all pigs

projectmatt

almost 8 years

Forrest says

3) Not to take away from hate crimes being a real issue, but they're still just a fraction of the overall crimes being committed today and I doubt that hate crimes significantly jumped over night due to the election.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/18/update-incidents-hateful-harassment-election-day-now-number-701

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Peta says

You seem to be oblivious to the reality of life as a maligned political minority in the U.S. I am too, but at least I don't try to scoff at people who are actually part of that minority and spout garbage like "You should fear for the future of the country but not for your own well-being."

I'm not scoffing at anyone and I'm not pretending to know what strifes persons other than myself face.

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I've been reading finance articles all evening and have even more read tonight so I'm not going to read through those in their entirety right now.

I did skim and having read through a lot of other articles and statistics published by the FBI a few things stick out to me.

1) They're using reported hate crimes/violence as their statistic which is historically vastly unreported so these numbers are most likely at least a bit lower than presented.

2) "According to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP), current data suggests that 20-25% of lesbian and gay people experience hate crimes within their lifetimes."

This went unfounded and I actually wanted to see a statistic on this.

3) Not to take away from hate crimes being a real issue, but they're still just a fraction of the overall crimes being committed today and I doubt that hate crimes significantly jumped over night due to the election.

projectmatt

almost 8 years

Forrest says

"I don't consider that a commentary on fear for one's life. If that had been on his mind then I'd think he would have used a word like "murdered." But w/e."

Being physically assaulted compared as opposed murdered is lesser but if you weren't afraid yesterday it seems irrational to think that the election would cause such a drastic swing in the people in one's local area.

My minority friends are a lot more conscious of the fact that they are more likely to have hate crimes committed against them, and are already afraid. The election results made them even more on edge because it legitimized a man who is openly racist and hateful.

Sims

almost 8 years

i'm well aware of what mike pence stands for

Peta

almost 8 years

Tonight on the Epicmafia forums Sims elegantly captures a tiny percentage of Pence's political platform and makes a flatliner of a joke about it.

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i'm white

Peta

almost 8 years

Sims says

i don't know what hate crimes have to do with conversion therapy but it is sad that lgbt people are prone to attacks against them

http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious-freedom/

Sims

almost 8 years

i don't know what hate crimes have to do with conversion therapy but it is sad that lgbt people are prone to attacks against them

Peta

almost 8 years

You seem to be oblivious to the reality of life as a maligned political minority in the U.S. I am too, but at least I don't try to scoff at people who are actually part of that minority and spout garbage like "You should fear for the future of the country but not for your own well-being."

Peta

almost 8 years

Forrest says

"I don't consider that a commentary on fear for one's life. If that had been on his mind then I'd think he would have used a word like "murdered." But w/e."

Being physically assaulted compared as opposed murdered is lesser but if you weren't afraid yesterday it seems irrational to think that the election would cause such a drastic swing in the people in one's local area.

The whole point is that these people already are afraid.

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I think you're misconstruing my arguments and stance as being pro-Trump or as believing that racism isn't alive and real in the United States–I think that institutional racism on a national level is real and should be actively fought against. I just also think that a lot of these arguments display a complete lack of empathy towards the people who aren't maliciously racist or are just cogs in a system that favors them.

Peta

almost 8 years

Sims says

on the other hand, all of the lgbt people the day after the election who thought mike pence would personally electrocute them are pansies

http://fusion.net/story/313047/lgbt-violence-statistics/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-extraordinarily-common-violence-against-lgbt-people-in-america/486722/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/16/us/hate-crimes-against-lgbt.html?_r=0

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"I don't consider that a commentary on fear for one's life. If that had been on his mind then I'd think he would have used a word like "murdered." But w/e."

Being physically assaulted compared as opposed murdered is lesser but if you weren't afraid yesterday it seems irrational to think that the election would cause such a drastic swing in the people in one's local area.

Sims

almost 8 years

on the other hand, all of the lgbt people the day after the election who thought mike pence would personally electrocute them are pansies

Peta

almost 8 years

All right this is the part where the other guy tries to fight science so I'm gonna go to bed

Sims

almost 8 years

the days after the election were probably the scariest time to be a minority, to be fair

Peta

almost 8 years

bonk says

Peta says

bonk says

Peta says

bonk says

I think that your friends are disconnected with reality then and you should choose better, more mature friends.

You're right. Being afraid of bigotry and violence is downright irrational when the presidential election has been won by someone whose political claims to fame are his insistence on the need for a wall to keep Mexicans out of the U.S. and his call for a total shutdown of Muslim immigration.

Thinking that you should fear for your life and that things in one's local area have suddenly changed over night due to an election is irrational.

Being concerned for the future of the country and the social changes that might be met over time isn't irrational.

Projectmatt didn't bring up fear for one's life. If he did then I don't agree with him.

"a lot of my friends who were minorities were sincerely afraid that they would be jumped/assaulted the day after trump won. that is what i mean."

He did.

I don't consider that a commentary on fear for one's life. If that had been on his mind then I'd think he would have used a word like "murdered." But w/e.

Peta

almost 8 years

bonk says

Peta says

bonk says

"White people voted for Trump because they hate black and brown people"

Well there's a very compelling argument in support of this statement based on statistics on criminal justice in the U.S.

The criminal justice system having racial issues doesn't qualify you to claim that white persons who voted for Trump are racist.

It certainly allows me to claim that white people in general are racist. But I don't really need this empirical data since I already have much more fundamental empirical data from the implicit-association test.

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Peta says

bonk says

Peta says

bonk says

I think that your friends are disconnected with reality then and you should choose better, more mature friends.

You're right. Being afraid of bigotry and violence is downright irrational when the presidential election has been won by someone whose political claims to fame are his insistence on the need for a wall to keep Mexicans out of the U.S. and his call for a total shutdown of Muslim immigration.

Thinking that you should fear for your life and that things in one's local area have suddenly changed over night due to an election is irrational.

Being concerned for the future of the country and the social changes that might be met over time isn't irrational.

Projectmatt didn't bring up fear for one's life. If he did then I don't agree with him.

"a lot of my friends who were minorities were sincerely afraid that they would be jumped/assaulted the day after trump won. that is what i mean."

He did.

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Peta says

bonk says

"White people voted for Trump because they hate black and brown people"

Well there's a very compelling argument in support of this statement based on statistics on criminal justice in the U.S.

The criminal justice system having racial issues doesn't qualify you to claim that white persons who voted for Trump are racist.

jess

almost 8 years

benis

Peta

almost 8 years

bonk says

Peta says

bonk says

I think that your friends are disconnected with reality then and you should choose better, more mature friends.

You're right. Being afraid of bigotry and violence is downright irrational when the presidential election has been won by someone whose political claims to fame are his insistence on the need for a wall to keep Mexicans out of the U.S. and his call for a total shutdown of Muslim immigration.

Thinking that you should fear for your life and that things in one's local area have suddenly changed over night due to an election is irrational.

Being concerned for the future of the country and the social changes that might be met over time isn't irrational.

Projectmatt didn't bring up fear for one's life. If he did then I don't agree with him.

Peta

almost 8 years

StanleyPower says

also worth considering, when trump shows these vulnerabilities, (because racism, sexism are weaknesses), it's hard to think youre not seeing the real trump. With trump, at least you know what youre getting (or think you know). Hillary on the other hand....well...she thinks you should have a private and public position.

This is not a coherent thought.