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Sexism and Racism.

almost 8 years

Sexism and racism is inherently linked to power, in such a way that women can't (really) be sexist towards men, and black people can't (really) be racist towards white people.

Yes there are exceptions, I don't want someone to bring up some 3,000 year old civilization that was dominated by black people where they had more privilege.

Racism and sexism are inherently a privilege issue, you can bring up all the cases you want of hate crimes against men from extremists or hate crimes against white people from black people - but it's not racism.

It's discrimination.

If you want to make a case against this then you can prove that women have more privilege than men, or that black people have more privilege than white people.

Maybe it's sad to say that this is primarily the american scope that I'm speaking of, I'm an american so I'm more in tune with american politics and the racial scope in this area.

Discuss.

almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says


if we want these countries to get better, be more successful, we shouldn't be aiding in brain drain, if their country is a sh1thole, they shouldn't just come here to make our country a sh1thole, they should stay and fight for their own country, and their own culture.


it's really easy to say that these people should go and fight for their country when we are watching from the sidelines. there are a LOT of people out there fighting right now, but a lot of people have families to take care of and children to prevent from dying, or they are living in terribly dangerous impoverished conditions where they can not fight because they will die. it's way more complex than that.

also i disagree with your view on children, but that might come from a disagreement in our basic worldviews. i don't think there's anything wrong with not having kids, and that some people shouldn't be parents.
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children are a blessing, are the greatest thing to happen to one's life, and raising children is the most important job anyone can have
to give up children is just so you can have more material wealth for yourself, so you can travel more, so you can have fancy furniture, so you can engage in a selfish cosmopolitan lifestyle, is bad.
westerners are told not to reproduce in the modern era because of "overpopulation"
it's not the west that's overpopulated, it's india, china, africa--third-world sh1tholes--the west is being broken down with the destruction of the family unit, of frivolous sex, and the lack of children from middle-class westerners.

i used to be one of those selfish people that didn't want children, then i grew up
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says

1. being a billionaire =/= the political establishment, nice try

2. yeah, if they want to fully assimilate to western culture, and western ideology, not on the taxpayer's dime, and swear an oath of allegiance to the US, while being in a registry for the first 10 years of their trial citizenship, then i have no problem with that

3. we do not need more people, we do not need more immigrants, what we need is to promote americans to have families, instead of promoting the "childfree" life full of self-indulgence and vanity.


1. i mean, he's a wealthy billionaire that is highly connected with the upper-class and even been friends with the clintons for years. he's not the political establishment, but he sure is the establishment. also, look at his cabinet.

2. sure thing. i think that this is highly achievable, and that banning muslim immigration would be counterproductive in a lot ways. that is one of my big problems with trump's policy.

3. i'm not sure how to respond to that, i'm a little bit surprised to hear it, tbh. why do you think the childlfree life is bad? i'm sincerely curious.
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projectmatt says


CoryInConstantinople says

god nothing triggers me more than men that get offended for women in the name of feminism, we don't need u to be mad and call out the "patriarchy" for us, we need u to not vote in favor of letting in large parties of men that, on average, do not respect women. thanx and vote le pen 2017


you would be wrong if you think that a really huge chunk of women aren't very offended by trump's statements


ye those women will be offended by trump but love lena dunham
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you wanna stop isis? put a hussein/gadaffi back in charge, and let them be merciless dictators that will crush any sort of guerrilla uprising. ~team assad~~

if we want these countries to get better, be more successful, we shouldn't be aiding in brain drain, if their country is a sh1thole, they shouldn't just come here to make our country a sh1thole, they should stay and fight for their own country, and their own culture.
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projectmatt says


CoryInConstantinople says

1. if u think mean statements is as bad as institutionalized corruption, then you're just dumb and there's no reasoning with you

2. i don't want to talk about islam, i want to talk about the average muslim's view on women, and islamic societies treatement of women on average
: )


1. it's far more than mean statements - donald trump literally represents the same establishment that he claims to hate, and clearly has no intention of actually "draining the swamp", as his supporters claim. also, "mean statements" and "racist statements that target and dehumanize minorities" is an important distinction

2. sure. men in islamic countries tend to have a more sexist view of women because of their culture, but that doesn't mean millions of muslims don't peacefully immigrate to the united states, or that we can't help assimilate them into our culture.

there are over 300 muslims living in america, a large chunk of them are immigrants. i think it would be wrong for us to block immigration from "high-risk" countries for a number of reasons, but a large one being that it would only further drive home isis's narrative of muslims vs the west and destroy our foreign relations on a catastrophic level.

also, muslims can absolutely be vetted properly, and we already have a system in place.


1. being a billionaire =/= the political establishment, nice try

2. yeah, if they want to fully assimilate to western culture, and western ideology, not on the taxpayer's dime, and swear an oath of allegiance to the US, while being in a registry for the first 10 years of their trial citizenship, then i have no problem with that

3. we do not need more people, we do not need more immigrants, what we need is to promote americans to have families, instead of promoting the "childfree" life full of self-indulgence and vanity.
almost 8 years

projectmatt says


Shrub says


Still not sexism, but definately not ok


if you agree that he objectifies women and that he bragged about assault, what makes him not sexist?


it makes him a bad guy but he isnt descriminating women based on sex
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says

god nothing triggers me more than men that get offended for women in the name of feminism, we don't need u to be mad and call out the "patriarchy" for us, we need u to not vote in favor of letting in large parties of men that, on average, do not respect women. thanx and vote le pen 2017


you would be wrong if you think that a really huge chunk of women aren't very offended by trump's statements
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says

1. if u think mean statements is as bad as institutionalized corruption, then you're just dumb and there's no reasoning with you

2. i don't want to talk about islam, i want to talk about the average muslim's view on women, and islamic societies treatement of women on average
: )


1. it's far more than mean statements - donald trump literally represents the same establishment that he claims to hate, and clearly has no intention of actually "draining the swamp", as his supporters claim. also, "mean statements" and "racist statements that target and dehumanize minorities" is an important distinction

2. sure. men in islamic countries tend to have a more sexist view of women because of their culture, but that doesn't mean millions of muslims don't peacefully immigrate to the united states, or that we can't help assimilate them into our culture.

there are over 300 muslims living in america, a large chunk of them are immigrants. i think it would be wrong for us to block immigration from "high-risk" countries for a number of reasons, but a large one being that it would only further drive home isis's narrative of muslims vs the west and destroy our foreign relations on a catastrophic level.

also, muslims can absolutely be vetted properly, and we already have a system in place.
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god nothing triggers me more than men that get offended for women in the name of feminism, we don't need u to be mad and call out the "patriarchy" for us, we need u to not vote in favor of letting in large parties of men that, on average, do not respect women. thanx and vote le pen 2017
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Shrub says


CoryInConstantinople says


Shrub says


CoryInConstantinople says

yeah and hillary clinton and democrats appeal to the anti-ammerican communist rhetoric, so i don't care which party attracts which radicals

d.trump himself is not a radical, and he won for a very important reason, he appealed to a class of people that have been forgotten about through the manipulation of mass media--the low income whites that are oh so "privileged" because they're whtie
it's almost as if playing identity politics will get you nowhere--people are seeing through games of people like you.

i don't CARE what he's bragged about doing in the past, who CARES. what i care more about than lewd comments about women, is the corruption of the DNC and hillary's overinvolvement with Saudi Arabia, a REAL patriarchal oppressive sexist society.

it's not even the mexicans i'm bothered about, it's the refugees that i did not want pouring over here in the hundreds of thousands--you can look up the r@pe statistics among them in germany, sweden etc if you'd like : )

you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


Thats factually incorrect. He didnt appeal to low income whites because they didnt vote for him. He appealed to upper middle income whites and wealthy.


those were his main voters, yes, but he picked up more low-income whites than other GOP noms


That doesnt mean he appealed to a new group of people. He also did better in latinos than romney, that doesnt mean he appealed to latinos.


i'm not talking about Romney, i'm talking about GOP noms during this election, i think it's an important little factor in his win.
almost 8 years

Shrub says


Still not sexism, but definately not ok


if you agree that he objectifies women and that he bragged about assault, what makes him not sexist?
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i'm not talking about a ban on a religion, i'm talking about a ban on economic migration from high-risk countries, and countries that have bred people with ideologies that cannot coexist with western ideology.
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says


Shrub says


CoryInConstantinople says

yeah and hillary clinton and democrats appeal to the anti-ammerican communist rhetoric, so i don't care which party attracts which radicals

d.trump himself is not a radical, and he won for a very important reason, he appealed to a class of people that have been forgotten about through the manipulation of mass media--the low income whites that are oh so "privileged" because they're whtie
it's almost as if playing identity politics will get you nowhere--people are seeing through games of people like you.

i don't CARE what he's bragged about doing in the past, who CARES. what i care more about than lewd comments about women, is the corruption of the DNC and hillary's overinvolvement with Saudi Arabia, a REAL patriarchal oppressive sexist society.

it's not even the mexicans i'm bothered about, it's the refugees that i did not want pouring over here in the hundreds of thousands--you can look up the r@pe statistics among them in germany, sweden etc if you'd like : )

you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


Thats factually incorrect. He didnt appeal to low income whites because they didnt vote for him. He appealed to upper middle income whites and wealthy.


those were his main voters, yes, but he picked up more low-income whites than other GOP noms


That doesnt mean he appealed to a new group of people. He also did better in latinos than romney, that doesnt mean he appealed to latinos.
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projectmatt says


CoryInConstantinople says


you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


you're bringing up a lot of different topics but here's the thing: you can bring up hillary/the dnc corruption as much as you want, but it doesn't change that trump is an individual has done and said things that are incredibly racist and sexist, and people are scared and disgusted by him. you need to understand that.

it's ok to not like hillary, and to think that the dnc is corrupt - but that doesn't make it OK to vote for someone who does the things that trump does

also, i've literally read the quran, so if you want to talk to me about islam, let's do it. i think there are better ways to handle discriminatory things in islam than applying something simplistic and silly like a blanket-ban of an entire religion.


1. if u think mean statements is as bad as institutionalized corruption, then you're just dumb and there's no reasoning with you

2. i don't want to talk about islam, i want to talk about the average muslim's view on women, and islamic societies treatement of women on average
: )
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Shrub says


CoryInConstantinople says

yeah and hillary clinton and democrats appeal to the anti-ammerican communist rhetoric, so i don't care which party attracts which radicals

d.trump himself is not a radical, and he won for a very important reason, he appealed to a class of people that have been forgotten about through the manipulation of mass media--the low income whites that are oh so "privileged" because they're whtie
it's almost as if playing identity politics will get you nowhere--people are seeing through games of people like you.

i don't CARE what he's bragged about doing in the past, who CARES. what i care more about than lewd comments about women, is the corruption of the DNC and hillary's overinvolvement with Saudi Arabia, a REAL patriarchal oppressive sexist society.

it's not even the mexicans i'm bothered about, it's the refugees that i did not want pouring over here in the hundreds of thousands--you can look up the r@pe statistics among them in germany, sweden etc if you'd like : )

you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


Thats factually incorrect. He didnt appeal to low income whites because they didnt vote for him. He appealed to upper middle income whites and wealthy.


those were his main voters, yes, but he picked up more low-income whites than other GOP noms
almost 8 years

projectmatt says


Shrub says


projectmatt says


Shrub says


projectmatt says

okay but that doesn't change the fact that he appeals to racist rhetoric quite openly and that he implied that a large chunk of illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals, also your analogy about the 1000 "good" illegals is silly, you should look up the crime rate between illegals and american citizens for stuff like r@pe/murder.

trump has made a countless amount of sexist comments and has bragged about sexually grabbing women without their consent. it isn't an overreaction to call someone who does sexist things a sexist.

you're assuming that me and other non-trump supporters are brainwashed by -pc culture- when in reality we're making realistic judgement of trumps based off of his words/actions


taking about grabbing women doesn't make someone a sexist. It makes them an


without their consent


he didnt actually do it, so he isnt a rapist (in the same way someone who talks about murder isnt a murderer)

and talking about grabbing women by the doesnt make you a sexist.

EDIT i do see where you are coming from though

although he isnt NECCESARILY sexist, he certainly objectifies women


to be clear, he specifically bragged about having grabbed women without their consent in that video. that is sexual assault.


Oh, I dont remember that in the video. I thought it was just boasting.

Still not sexism, but definately not ok
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says


you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


you're bringing up a lot of different topics but here's the thing: you can bring up hillary/the dnc corruption as much as you want, but it doesn't change that trump is an individual has done and said things that are incredibly racist and sexist, and people are scared and disgusted by him. you need to understand that.

it's ok to not like hillary, and to think that the dnc is corrupt - but that doesn't make it OK to vote for someone who does the things that trump does

also, i've literally read the quran, so if you want to talk to me about islam, let's do it. i think there are better ways to handle discriminatory things in islam than applying something simplistic and silly like a blanket-ban of an entire religion.
almost 8 years
52% of voters earning less than $50,000 a year – who make up 36% of the electorate – voted for Clinton, and 41% for Trump.

64% of American voters who earn more than $50,000 a year, 49% chose Trump, and 47% Clinton.
almost 8 years

Shrub says


projectmatt says


Shrub says


projectmatt says

okay but that doesn't change the fact that he appeals to racist rhetoric quite openly and that he implied that a large chunk of illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals, also your analogy about the 1000 "good" illegals is silly, you should look up the crime rate between illegals and american citizens for stuff like r@pe/murder.

trump has made a countless amount of sexist comments and has bragged about sexually grabbing women without their consent. it isn't an overreaction to call someone who does sexist things a sexist.

you're assuming that me and other non-trump supporters are brainwashed by -pc culture- when in reality we're making realistic judgement of trumps based off of his words/actions


taking about grabbing women doesn't make someone a sexist. It makes them an


without their consent


he didnt actually do it, so he isnt a rapist (in the same way someone who talks about murder isnt a murderer)

and talking about grabbing women by the doesnt make you a sexist.

EDIT i do see where you are coming from though

although he isnt NECCESARILY sexist, he certainly objectifies women


to be clear, he specifically bragged about having grabbed women without their consent in that video. that is sexual assault.
almost 8 years

CoryInConstantinople says

yeah and hillary clinton and democrats appeal to the anti-ammerican communist rhetoric, so i don't care which party attracts which radicals

d.trump himself is not a radical, and he won for a very important reason, he appealed to a class of people that have been forgotten about through the manipulation of mass media--the low income whites that are oh so "privileged" because they're whtie
it's almost as if playing identity politics will get you nowhere--people are seeing through games of people like you.

i don't CARE what he's bragged about doing in the past, who CARES. what i care more about than lewd comments about women, is the corruption of the DNC and hillary's overinvolvement with Saudi Arabia, a REAL patriarchal oppressive sexist society.

it's not even the mexicans i'm bothered about, it's the refugees that i did not want pouring over here in the hundreds of thousands--you can look up the r@pe statistics among them in germany, sweden etc if you'd like : )

you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)


Thats factually incorrect. He didnt appeal to low income whites because they didnt vote for him. He appealed to upper middle income whites and wealthy.
deletedalmost 8 years
yeah and hillary clinton and democrats appeal to the anti-ammerican communist rhetoric, so i don't care which party attracts which radicals

d.trump himself is not a radical, and he won for a very important reason, he appealed to a class of people that have been forgotten about through the manipulation of mass media--the low income whites that are oh so "privileged" because they're whtie
it's almost as if playing identity politics will get you nowhere--people are seeing through games of people like you.

i don't CARE what he's bragged about doing in the past, who CARES. what i care more about than lewd comments about women, is the corruption of the DNC and hillary's overinvolvement with Saudi Arabia, a REAL patriarchal oppressive sexist society.

it's not even the mexicans i'm bothered about, it's the refugees that i did not want pouring over here in the hundreds of thousands--you can look up the r@pe statistics among them in germany, sweden etc if you'd like : )

you're so quick to jump on a playboy that likes to boast about his ability to bang hot women, but i doubt you'd criticize the real patriarchal and misogynistic culture, unless you'd like to have a discussion with me about the treatment of women in non-western countries :)
almost 8 years

projectmatt says


Shrub says


projectmatt says

okay but that doesn't change the fact that he appeals to racist rhetoric quite openly and that he implied that a large chunk of illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals, also your analogy about the 1000 "good" illegals is silly, you should look up the crime rate between illegals and american citizens for stuff like r@pe/murder.

trump has made a countless amount of sexist comments and has bragged about sexually grabbing women without their consent. it isn't an overreaction to call someone who does sexist things a sexist.

you're assuming that me and other non-trump supporters are brainwashed by -pc culture- when in reality we're making realistic judgement of trumps based off of his words/actions


taking about grabbing women doesn't make someone a sexist. It makes them an


without their consent


he didnt actually do it, so he isnt a rapist (in the same way someone who talks about murder isnt a murderer)

and talking about grabbing women by the doesnt make you a sexist.

EDIT i do see where you are coming from though

although he isnt NECCESARILY sexist, he certainly objectifies women
almost 8 years

Shrub says


projectmatt says

okay but that doesn't change the fact that he appeals to racist rhetoric quite openly and that he implied that a large chunk of illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals, also your analogy about the 1000 "good" illegals is silly, you should look up the crime rate between illegals and american citizens for stuff like r@pe/murder.

trump has made a countless amount of sexist comments and has bragged about sexually grabbing women without their consent. it isn't an overreaction to call someone who does sexist things a sexist.

you're assuming that me and other non-trump supporters are brainwashed by -pc culture- when in reality we're making realistic judgement of trumps based off of his words/actions


taking about grabbing women doesn't make someone a sexist. It makes them an


without their consent