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Sexism and Racism.

Shamu
almost 8 years

Sexism and racism is inherently linked to power, in such a way that women can't (really) be sexist towards men, and black people can't (really) be racist towards white people.

Yes there are exceptions, I don't want someone to bring up some 3,000 year old civilization that was dominated by black people where they had more privilege.

Racism and sexism are inherently a privilege issue, you can bring up all the cases you want of hate crimes against men from extremists or hate crimes against white people from black people - but it's not racism.

It's discrimination.

If you want to make a case against this then you can prove that women have more privilege than men, or that black people have more privilege than white people.

Maybe it's sad to say that this is primarily the american scope that I'm speaking of, I'm an american so I'm more in tune with american politics and the racial scope in this area.

Discuss.

projectmatt
almost 8 years

thecolonel says

i don't understand the symptoms of the oppression you're trying to convey


those are issues like racial inequality (systematic racism with higher incineration rates for the same crime, shootings, etc), discrimination, how african americans/minorities in general are far more likely to be living in poverty, and generally how economically speaking, our system of government is set up in a way that tends to keep people with no financial prospects in poverty)

there's also gender issues, primarily the concept of gender roles and their huge influence on society being one of the big ones.
Sims
almost 8 years
i don't think some of these white coal miners who are heroin and meth addicts and can't get clean drinking water come from any place of privilege just because of their skin color
deletedalmost 8 years
the stigma pushing men away from jobs that are considered feminine is much greater than the stigma pushing women away from masculine jobs.

yaoh
peach
almost 8 years

thecolonel says

mods please kill me

thecolonel
almost 8 years
mods please kill me
peach
almost 8 years
mods please kill this thread
thecolonel
almost 8 years

MeetTerry says


projectmatt says

when i say -the system-, i literally just mean the society that we live in is framed in that way. people argue a lot about what specifically is the cause of that, and how to fix it.


vague

no substance in whatever you're posting.

Truth is, blacks aren't oppressed.


you aren't cute
MeetTerry
almost 8 years

projectmatt says

when i say -the system-, i literally just mean the society that we live in is framed in that way. people argue a lot about what specifically is the cause of that, and how to fix it.


vague

no substance in whatever you're posting.

Truth is, blacks aren't oppressed.
thecolonel
almost 8 years
i don't understand the symptoms of the oppression you're trying to convey
MeetTerry
almost 8 years

MeetTerry says


projectmatt says

]i know i shouldn't take the bait, but since the wage gap is a really commonly misunderstood thing, it's important to understand that the issue of the wage gap is really, really complex and that one huge conensus doesn't really exist. it isn't transparently "women are always underpaid", but it is true that women are less likely to be in STEM fields/jobs that are higher paying, which is a symptom of gender roles that tend to force women into specific roles


stop trying to be condescending and dismissing my points as if it were trolling

women have a 2 to 1 advantage in getting STEM jobs. Even in college admissions.

They're not in STEM as much from gender differences.

Nothing is stopping women today from doing what they want to do. There are no structural blocks to stop women. If anything, there are structural advantages that only exist to help women in the name of 'diversity'

the wage gap is also largely from women exiting the workplace. Honestly, it's not even a wage gap It's an earnings gap because more men do the full time jobs.

It's funny how idiot gender activists want to get women into these higher-paying jobs yet will shudder at the thought of working anything that is remotely dangerous or hard.

deletedalmost 8 years

Shamu says


Maybe this is a hard thing for some people to wrap their heads around, but no matter how trash your life is, or how great of a life some rich black person has, the white person is still more privileged.


this is just patently false, you cant honestly believe a 1% black man is less privileged than an impoverished white man
projectmatt
almost 8 years

thecolonel says


projectmatt says


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thecolonel says

if people don't notice them doesn't that mean they aren't important


no, part of the idea is that a lot of people unknowingly take place/participate in a system where they have a lot of power/ability to oppress people, but they dont realize it is happening


how do normal people oppress other normal people because of their race


people partake in a system that regularly oppresses people who are minorities/not in the upper class, but they are often ignorant of it. if you are sincerely curious, i could type up stuff for you but i have a feeling a debate about this would go badly.


you're telling me i probably oppress people and i don't think i oppress people so i would probably not agree with you but i also want to know why you think i oppress people


i don't think that -you- specifically oppress people, but rather, you and i both live in a system that has oppressed people of different genders/races for a very long time. to make a very really complex topic short, the idea is that the way our society does not have racial/gender equality makes the people at the top with the most privilege unknowing participants in the system by refusing to do anything to stop it. the point is that people are ignorant of the fact that the system we live in oppresses other people.


what's the system people should be trying to stop?


when i say -the system-, i literally just mean the society that we live in is framed in that way. people argue a lot about what specifically is the cause of that, and how to fix it.
MeetTerry
almost 8 years

projectmatt says

]i know i shouldn't take the bait, but since the wage gap is a really commonly misunderstood thing, it's important to understand that the issue of the wage gap is really, really complex and that one huge conensus doesn't really exist. it isn't transparently "women are always underpaid", but it is true that women are less likely to be in STEM fields/jobs that are higher paying, which is a symptom of gender roles that tend to force women into specific roles


stop trying to be condescending and dismissing my points as if it were trolling

women have a 2 to 1 advantage in getting STEM jobs. Even in college admissions.

They're not in STEM as much from gender differences.

Nothing is stopping women today from doing what they want to do. There are no structural blocks to stop women. If anything, there are structural advantages that only exist to help women in the name of 'diversity'
thecolonel
almost 8 years

cozy says

Severe autism in this thread


thank you girl who represents herself with anime and the name cozy
Sims
almost 8 years
as a jew i've never understood that either, they're white
thecolonel
almost 8 years
i never thought about jews as a racial group but apparently some of them are real stringent about that and they get mad when you say they're white
cozy
almost 8 years
Severe autism in this thread
Sims
almost 8 years
they get my seal of approval, but mexicans and jews can heck off
thecolonel
almost 8 years

Sims says

i've read the OP over like 4 times and i still can't figure out what i'm supposed to be discussing


are you into blacks?
thecolonel
almost 8 years

projectmatt says


thecolonel says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says

if people don't notice them doesn't that mean they aren't important


no, part of the idea is that a lot of people unknowingly take place/participate in a system where they have a lot of power/ability to oppress people, but they dont realize it is happening


how do normal people oppress other normal people because of their race


people partake in a system that regularly oppresses people who are minorities/not in the upper class, but they are often ignorant of it. if you are sincerely curious, i could type up stuff for you but i have a feeling a debate about this would go badly.


you're telling me i probably oppress people and i don't think i oppress people so i would probably not agree with you but i also want to know why you think i oppress people


i don't think that -you- specifically oppress people, but rather, you and i both live in a system that has oppressed people of different genders/races for a very long time. to make a very really complex topic short, the idea is that the way our society does not have racial/gender equality makes the people at the top with the most privilege unknowing participants in the system by refusing to do anything to stop it. the point is that people are ignorant of the fact that the system we live in oppresses other people.


what's the system people should be trying to stop?
desuo
almost 8 years
America is sexist and racist, my country is not. It's difficult to have an argument when we are arguing from completely different grounds
Sims
almost 8 years
i've read the OP over like 4 times and i still can't figure out what i'm supposed to be discussing
projectmatt
almost 8 years

Sims says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says

if people don't notice them doesn't that mean they aren't important


no, part of the idea is that a lot of people unknowingly take place/participate in a system where they have a lot of power/ability to oppress people, but they dont realize it is happening


how do normal people oppress other normal people because of their race


people partake in a system that regularly oppresses people who are minorities/not in the upper class, but they are often ignorant of it. if you are sincerely curious, i could type up stuff for you but i have a feeling a debate about this would go badly.


does not being ignorant about it suddenly make the oppression stop?


definitely not. i have no idea how to stop the oppression, but being aware that it happens is important
projectmatt
almost 8 years

thecolonel says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says


projectmatt says


thecolonel says

if people don't notice them doesn't that mean they aren't important


no, part of the idea is that a lot of people unknowingly take place/participate in a system where they have a lot of power/ability to oppress people, but they dont realize it is happening


how do normal people oppress other normal people because of their race


people partake in a system that regularly oppresses people who are minorities/not in the upper class, but they are often ignorant of it. if you are sincerely curious, i could type up stuff for you but i have a feeling a debate about this would go badly.


you're telling me i probably oppress people and i don't think i oppress people so i would probably not agree with you but i also want to know why you think i oppress people


i don't think that -you- specifically oppress people, but rather, you and i both live in a system that has oppressed people of different genders/races for a very long time. to make a very really complex topic short, the idea is that the way our society does not have racial/gender equality makes the people at the top with the most privilege unknowing participants in the system by refusing to do anything to stop it. the point is that people are ignorant of the fact that the system we live in oppresses other people.
Sims
almost 8 years
A- is the blue balls of the education system