Epicmafia

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Sexism and Racism.

almost 8 years

MeetTerry says

I'm starting to get really tired of this "you need power in order to be racist/sexist/etc"

we have african "scholars" who endlessly talk about how being white is genetically inferior because of the lack of melanin.

women nor black people are oppressed in society.

Women go to college at a rate that far exceeds that of men. They continue to get higher GPAs. They have a 2-to-1 advantage in STEM fields. And no, they aren't paid 70% of what men are paid. They actually found they get paid more than men in many job fields.

I think this is fascinating to me in particular because - I've never said that a black people or a female can't be the biggest pieces of sh!t you've ever met, and they sure as hell can discriminate against other races like you're saying.

But what I'm talking about is shi!t like reverse racism, or the 'all lives matter movement' or whatever, the fact that someone with more privilege can try to derail a perfectly fine argument by essentially flipping the point on it's head is the issue.

You can see it in everyday society, let's say someone comes up with a movement 'black lives matter' well what is it saying, that only black lives matter?? HelI no, it's saying that black lives are AS important as other lives, and shouldn't be mistreated. The fact that someone can derail it by bringing it into an all lives matter - to whence when someone points out that movement isn't as important as the black lives matter one is deemed racist is when it's being extreme.

Maybe this is a hard thing for some people to wrap their heads around, but no matter how trash your life is, or how great of a life some rich black person has, the white person is still more privileged.

projectmatt

almost 8 years

thecolonel says

projectmatt says

This thread will go badly, but before it does, I'll say what I just spent 20 minutes in a game debating about, and that Shamu summed up well:

The power dynamic is extremely important to consider when we talk about racism/sexism in our society. If we study the society around us, it's really easy to see and understand that certain groups hold far more privilege/more power than others.

If we can literally just agree that certain groups hold more power, it's a lot easier to go from there to discuss why feminism/black lives matter/all that stuff is important and needed, but a lot of people get stuck on accepting that certain people hold more power.

i don't think anyone's saying whitey's better off on average but why does it do any good to look at people as a group like that instead of looking at them individually

i'm not sure i get the question - it is important to look at things individually as well as in a group

projectmatt

almost 8 years

MeetTerry says

I'm starting to get really tired of this "you need power in order to be racist/sexist/etc"

we have african "scholars" who endlessly talk about how being white is genetically inferior because of the lack of melanin.

women nor black people are oppressed in society.

Women go to college at a rate that far exceeds that of men. They continue to get higher GPAs. They have a 2-to-1 advantage in STEM fields. And no, they aren't paid 70% of what men are paid. They actually found they get paid more than men in many job fields.

i know i shouldn't take the bait, but since the wage gap is a really commonly misunderstood thing, it's important to understand that the issue of the wage gap is really, really complex and that one huge conensus doesn't really exist. it isn't transparently "women are always underpaid", but it is true that women are less likely to be in STEM fields/jobs that are higher paying, which is a symptom of gender roles that tend to force women into specific roles

YHWH

almost 8 years

> in such a way that women can't (really) be sexist towards men, and black people can't (really) be racist towards white people.

wrong

mindful

almost 8 years

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/are-you-sexist-take-this-quiz/

i got 0.83% - hostile sexism

1.33% - benevolent sexism

desuo

almost 8 years

MeetTerry says

I'm starting to get really tired of this "you need power in order to be racist/sexist/etc"

we have african "scholars" who endlessly talk about how being white is genetically inferior because of the lack of melanin.

women nor black people are oppressed in society.

Women go to college at a rate that far exceeds that of men. They continue to get higher GPAs. They have a 2-to-1 advantage in STEM fields. And no, they aren't paid 70% of what men are paid. They actually found they get paid more than men in many job fields.

/Thread

"Sexism and racism is inherently linked to power, in such a way that women can't (really) be sexist towards men, and black people can't (really) be racist towards white people." - ignorant sjw attitude

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You can't have sex with a man

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I think women deserve more than they have

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Tartosis says

I haven't seen any disagreements in this thread yet.

whoa dude, get off matt's back

Tartosis

almost 8 years

I haven't seen any disagreements in this thread yet.

thecolonel

almost 8 years

MeetTerry says

I'm starting to get really tired of this "you need power in order to be racist/sexist/etc"

we have african "scholars" who endlessly talk about how being white is genetically inferior because of the lack of melanin.

women nor black people are oppressed in society.

Women go to college at a rate that far exceeds that of men. They continue to get higher GPAs. They have a 2-to-1 advantage in STEM fields. And no, they aren't paid 70% of what men are paid.

go back to jerking off at anime

thecolonel

almost 8 years

projectmatt says

This thread will go badly, but before it does, I'll say what I just spent 20 minutes in a game debating about, and that Shamu summed up well:

The power dynamic is extremely important to consider when we talk about racism/sexism in our society. If we study the society around us, it's really easy to see and understand that certain groups hold far more privilege/more power than others.

If we can literally just agree that certain groups hold more power, it's a lot easier to go from there to discuss why feminism/black lives matter/all that stuff is important and needed, but a lot of people get stuck on accepting that certain people hold more power.

i don't think anyone's saying whitey's better off on average but why does it do any good to look at people as a group like that instead of looking at them individually

MeetTerry

almost 8 years

I'm starting to get really tired of this "you need power in order to be racist/sexist/etc"

we have african "scholars" who endlessly talk about how being white is genetically inferior because of the lack of melanin.

women nor black people are oppressed in society.

Women go to college at a rate that far exceeds that of men. They continue to get higher GPAs. They have a 2-to-1 advantage in STEM fields. And no, they aren't paid 70% of what men are paid. They actually found they get paid more than men in many job fields.

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the only people that care about this are the ones that follow neil tyson degrasse on twitter

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Quiet says

Just because a certain gender has more power, or a specific race holds more standing in society, does not withhold from the fact that someone can be sexist or racist. No matter what you can do, there will always be someone who is born with a concrete privilege, and the only way to rid of that privilege is for an entire population, including thee who is privileged, to deny it. Because of that being next to impossible because there will always be outliers to that cause, it is impossible to rid privilege from society, thus someone will always have power over someone else. Since this power over another individual will always exist, sexism and racism will always occur and always have occurred mutually between both the empowered and the impoverished.

privileged is a very broad word. when you use it, are you referring to upper/upper-middle class people as well?

thecolonel

almost 8 years

when people say afros can't be racist against crackers because of however whatever institutions are set up i get the feeling they don't see the black man as a real person with real feelings

Quiet

almost 8 years

Sexism and Racism inherently involve discrimination. One has to discriminate in order for them to be considered sexist or racist. Even if an individual is born with or holds a certain privilege/no privilege over an opposing sex/race in society, it is still perfectly possible for that individual to be racist or sexist.

Just because a certain gender has more power, or a specific race holds more standing in society, does not withhold from the fact that someone can be sexist or racist. No matter what you can do, there will always be someone who is born with a concrete privilege, and the only way to rid of that privilege is for an entire population, including thee who is privileged, to deny it. Because of that being next to impossible because there will always be outliers to that cause, it is impossible to rid privilege from society, thus someone will always have power over someone else. Since this power over another individual will always exist, sexism and racism will always occur and always have occurred mutually between both the empowered and the impoverished.
Just because someone does not have the same privilege and power does not mean they are unable to discriminate.
Women can be sexist just as men can be.
Black people can be racist towards white people.

I believe that a patriarchal power exists in society, and I believe to this day that women are at a disadvantage in regards to power and privilege. I still think they can be sexist, and for someone to think they cannot be sexist is ironic, because that is sexism in itself.

I believe that black individuals are at a disadvantage economically and in regards to privilege because of the class structure that exists. Can black people be racist? Of course. Do white people have it better off? Yes. Is it right for White people to have it better off? No. Do all White people want to be on a higher level than blacks? No. Therefore racism can exist even if you're black discriminating against a white man.

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As a person that identifies as a black female, this is all just bs white people make up.

REALLYLOOOOOOONGNAME

almost 8 years

I'd explain why you're wrong but I don't think you'd understand it Shamu

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lilac says

women should be seen and not heard

i like ur thinkin

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women should be seen and not heard

projectmatt

almost 8 years

tangent says

who cares

People who strive for equality care, since racism/sexism is still a HUGE problem in American society, but it's a problem that a lot of people are unwilling to accept exists.

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who cares

thecolonel

almost 8 years

what do you have against the actual definitions of those words