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Moderating hipfire

almost 10 years

The mod team has recently been discussing how to moderate hipfiring. The current precedent is to consider it a trolling violation in red heart games and a game throwing (GT) violation in competitive games.

We're deciding between the current precedent and two other options.

  1. Trolling throughout. The idea behind this is that game rules are game rules and that moderation should be standardized between red and gold heart games.
  2. Game throwing throughout. This plays to the idea that the action of hipfiring is generally done without "playing to win" and as such falls under game throwing.

Please vote in the poll and if you feel that you have a point that you would like to make, post in this thread. If you have another option that you think is viable, please also let us know!

What should hipfiring be moderated as?
42
Trolling in red hearts, GT in gold hearts
18
Game throwing
16
Trolling
5
Other (please explain)
almost 10 years

Matt12 says


Goodbar says

i think it should all be trolling. if someone hipfires to up another player then it's gamethrowing, because that falls under gamethrowing as it already is.


what the fuc k do you know


...things? i guess
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Jimbei says

hipfire should be no vio if it's a grudge shot

my enemies made their mistake by joining my game, don't put it on me


In this situation you just wait a few minutes and then shoot so you can claim you scum hunted after
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hipfire should be no vio if it's a grudge shot

my enemies made their mistake by joining my game, don't put it on me
almost 10 years
Jimbei, explain why u switched from trolling to gt or im gonna lynch you
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There should be a new vio called "game tossing" for when you didn't really throw but mods still want to f*ck you over
almost 10 years
Making it trolling and then never make another thread about it.
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vilden says

impoetic -- it's a hypothetical

stopped reading after ur first line


i'm aware and was responding because my continuation of the hypothetical pertained to my response
almost 10 years

Goodbar says

i think it should all be trolling. if someone hipfires to up another player then it's gamethrowing, because that falls under gamethrowing as it already is.


what the fuc k do you know
almost 10 years
It should be consistently considered trolling; and only Gamethrowing if the definition of Gamethrowing applies to the situation
almost 10 years
impoetic -- it's a hypothetical

stopped reading after ur first line
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Giga says

lets pretend the exact same game happens twice, once in red heart once in gold heart

someone hipfires, they are reported for it

the red heart game gets trolling

the gold heart game gets gt???

if the exact same game happens in a red heart and a gold heart, why would the outcome of reports for both games be different; what happened happened


the exact same game won't happen because people suck in different ways in both types of games, and gold heart setups don't fill very easily in red hearts, but nonetheless I think the precedent for it is that people in gold heart games are going to gold heart to do something they could do in red heart, which is more indicative of malicious intent/disregard for the rules. Like, people take it really seriously when they think there's a chance someone's throwing games in comp and distorting the potential owners of little pixel cups, so it makes some sense for playing without a lot of concern for one's wincon to be punished more severely there. i' mnot going to bother to rewrite that coherently
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i think it should all be trolling. if someone hipfires to up another player then it's gamethrowing, because that falls under gamethrowing as it already is.
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here's what i don't get: laid
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caroline
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NOPE NOT REALLY I HAVE NO CIRCLEJERK WHATSOEVER
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the only people who want red heart to remain trolling are the people in #TheMob who play red heart a&v and circlejerk/borderline throw because they know people don't care about red hearts for whatever reason
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People that hipfire should get HC vios tbqh
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if ur wondering why i am caps'ing i just got out of anon sheriff
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WELL GIGA

THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD JUST BE TROLLING
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Giga says

lets pretend the exact same game happens twice, once in red heart once in gold heart

someone hipfires, they are reported for it

the red heart game gets trolling

the gold heart game gets gt???



yeah
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vilden says

IT'S TROLLING

NO ONE HIPFIRES WITH INTENT TO NOT WIN

THEY'RE JUST F UCKING AROUND

TROLLING VIOLATIONS STACKS UP EASIER TOO SO WE CAN BAN TROLLS FASTER THIS WAY


3/4s of this post is wrong

25% F

see me after class young man
almost 10 years
lets pretend the exact same game happens twice, once in red heart once in gold heart

someone hipfires, they are reported for it

the red heart game gets trolling

the gold heart game gets gt???

if the exact same game happens in a red heart and a gold heart, why would the outcome of reports for both games be different; what happened happened
almost 10 years

Giga says


Impoetic says


Giga says

I said it in the mod forums, but imo make it by moderator discretion. If this discussion is happening, then we should allow the mod to give what they see fit for the situation/game. Don't see why the colour of the heart matters


same reason comp games get refunded for GT but red hearts don't, right?


if it were up to me, refunds would be refunds regardless of heart colour as well


ok, you've won me over with the campaign promises you'd go out of your way not to fulfill if you were running for mod. i'll go vote the game throwing option with all my alts
almost 10 years
I'm allowing Zayn to be the echo of reason.
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Forrest says

I hipfired so the Mafia couldn't get a chance to town tell