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Moderating hipfire

Cody
over 8 years

The mod team has recently been discussing how to moderate hipfiring. The current precedent is to consider it a trolling violation in red heart games and a game throwing (GT) violation in competitive games.

We're deciding between the current precedent and two other options.

  1. Trolling throughout. The idea behind this is that game rules are game rules and that moderation should be standardized between red and gold heart games.
  2. Game throwing throughout. This plays to the idea that the action of hipfiring is generally done without "playing to win" and as such falls under game throwing.

Please vote in the poll and if you feel that you have a point that you would like to make, post in this thread. If you have another option that you think is viable, please also let us know!

What should hipfiring be moderated as?
42
Trolling in red hearts, GT in gold hearts
18
Game throwing
16
Trolling
5
Other (please explain)
Satan
over 8 years

Impoetic says


expose says

You can get reads after you've shot the gun Ben ^_~

If he was hipfired he probably deserved it and nothing of value was lost tbh.


idk who ben is but statistically speaking it's probably true since he's able to play epicmafia


its me, i am ben
expose
over 8 years
Sometimes when someone I don't like joins a game and hinders my ability to lynch anyone else but them, but I can't fear kill them because I didn't roll mafia, hipfiring them is the next best option in order to be able to play toward my win condition tbh. ^_~
citeopmI
over 8 years

expose says

You can get reads after you've shot the gun Ben ^_~

If he was hipfired he probably deserved it and nothing of value was lost tbh.


idk who ben is but statistically speaking it's probably true since he's able to play epicmafia
Escurai
over 8 years
Wait where is the option to allow hip firing on noavis
Satan
over 8 years

expose says

You can get reads after you've shot the gun Ben ^_~

If he was hipfired he probably deserved it and nothing of value was lost tbh.


true town will be angrier than mafia while mafia will fake anger
expose
over 8 years
You can get reads after you've shot the gun Ben ^_~

If he was hipfired he probably deserved it and nothing of value was lost tbh.
Shamzy
over 8 years
It has to be a well thought out essay as well, with no less than 5 paragraphs detailing every reason they had to shoot someone and not explain why (in-game).

Oh, and the entire moderation team has to partake in deciding whether its GT'ing or Trolling. Now that I can agree on.
citeopmI
over 8 years

Shamzy says

This poll is rigged af.


conspiracy theorist
Escurai
over 8 years

expose says

Then random voting someone 2 seconds into the day who hasn't spoken at all and getting them speed lynched in a "speed game" is also playing against your win condition, by your definition, even though you played to win the game afterward.


You are comparing two things that cannot be compared. Voting can be undone and applies pressure on people early on in the game in order to gather reads rather than just look at openers. Hipfiring instantly kills someone without any reads. Even if you keep the vote on all game, this could be argued that you didnt like the reaction of the person and really thought they were scum.
Satan
over 8 years
if someone hipfires, they should have to write an essay as to why they thought that person was mafia.

if they can do that, don't give them a violation TBH
Sonrio
over 8 years
Hey can one of u MODS clear my bio + video i know you can do one but i forgot
Shamzy
over 8 years
This poll is rigged af.
Gerry
over 8 years

expose says

Then random voting someone 2 seconds into the day who hasn't spoken at all and getting them speed lynched in a "speed game" is also playing against your win condition


you can unvote. you can't unshoot ur gun lol
Satan
over 8 years

expose says


Escurai says


expose says

You're seeing the pure action of hipfiring as intent to gamethrow.

What if the person hip fired but proceeded to show intent to win and won the game?


"Intentionally playing against your win condition or not playing to win." Even if they win the game eventually, the action of hipfiring is against your win condition so at one point in the game you have gamethrown or in this case attempted to gamethrow, and this should not be tolerated.


Then random voting someone 2 seconds into the day who hasn't spoken at all and getting them speed lynched in a "speed game" is also playing against your win condition, by your definition, even though you played to win the game afterward.


well don't most ppl vote someone random 2 seconds into the game to get reactiosn, i mean thats what i do, kinda.
expose
over 8 years

Escurai says


expose says

You're seeing the pure action of hipfiring as intent to gamethrow.

What if the person hip fired but proceeded to show intent to win and won the game?


"Intentionally playing against your win condition or not playing to win." Even if they win the game eventually, the action of hipfiring is against your win condition so at one point in the game you have gamethrown or in this case attempted to gamethrow, and this should not be tolerated.


Then random voting someone 2 seconds into the day who hasn't spoken at all and getting them speed lynched in a "speed game" is also playing against your win condition, by your definition, even though you played to win the game afterward.
Gerry
over 8 years
Yes, I did.
Satan
over 8 years

Gerry says


Satan says

where is the make satan a freakin' mentor option


I'll be sure to have the team look at your application when we need more mentors


did u get my application in the mail the other day? cody can vouch for me.
Gerry
over 8 years

Satan says

where is the make satan a freakin' mentor option


I'll be sure to have the team look at your application when we need more mentors
Escurai
over 8 years

expose says

You're seeing the pure action of hipfiring as intent to gamethrow.

What if the person hip fired but proceeded to show intent to win and won the game?


"Intentionally playing against your win condition or not playing to win." Even if they win the game eventually, the action of hipfiring is against your win condition so at one point in the game you have gamethrown or in this case attempted to gamethrow, and this should not be tolerated.
Satan
over 8 years
where is the make satan a freakin' mentor option
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"Irredeemable f*ckwit" murmured Forrest under his breath
Shamzy
over 8 years

Gerry says


Shamzy says

Vote "Game throwing" or you have no soul


The situation you described in a bunch of people trolling in red hearts. If it's done in Golds it would be considered GTing since competitive is supposed to be held to a "higher standard"


That doesn't change the fact that hipfiring is still playing against your win condition, and messes it up for everyone else.
expose
over 8 years

Slowbro says

there's no real reason why red and gold heart should be treated any different outside of the fact that people who are new are going to be playing red heart games more often than gold, and that's why trolling was given to hipfiring instead of just straight of GTing. giving someone 1/3 a way to a ban for a mechanic they likely don't understand is why trolling is seen as the more lenient option

at the same time, you have no real reason to not give a GT vio when someone who has played 10k worth of games hipfires in a red heart game outside of the nonexistent Red Heart Games Clause


You're seeing the pure action of hipfiring as intent to gamethrow.

What if the person hip fired but proceeded to show intent to win and won the game?
deletedover 8 years
i'm so glad my opinion is right and not wrong
deletedover 8 years
hope this helps!

- Mod Alessandra