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Moderating hipfire

almost 10 years

The mod team has recently been discussing how to moderate hipfiring. The current precedent is to consider it a trolling violation in red heart games and a game throwing (GT) violation in competitive games.

We're deciding between the current precedent and two other options.

  1. Trolling throughout. The idea behind this is that game rules are game rules and that moderation should be standardized between red and gold heart games.
  2. Game throwing throughout. This plays to the idea that the action of hipfiring is generally done without "playing to win" and as such falls under game throwing.

Please vote in the poll and if you feel that you have a point that you would like to make, post in this thread. If you have another option that you think is viable, please also let us know!

What should hipfiring be moderated as?
42
Trolling in red hearts, GT in gold hearts
18
Game throwing
16
Trolling
5
Other (please explain)
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ban guns
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i propose a clause:

all accounts linked to cute are exempt from such moderation

thank u
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how am i supposed to hipfire day 1 as sheriff in sheriff setup if u do this????? cody????????????
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Oh i always get accused of hipfiring when i shoot my sr with no claim
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What if I get a read in 2 seconds?
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@burial hip firing is shooting someone before you could plausibly have a read of them (from the hip)

Ie. 5 seconds into the first day of the game.
Not shooting someone without asking for their role
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excuse me but, hipfires can be beautiful things.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/969460 see the strategy with more upvotes there? it's the legendary HELL YEAH strategy. it was tested and it's confirmed to get the hooker shot every d1
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Burial says

Why is this a rule? If my hipfire loses the game its gt, but on an ml i dont see the problem. Do i have to let my maf read fish the pr before im allowed to shoot them?

You may as well make it against the rules to hammer without claims too if this is a rule.


I don't think shooting sr is called hipfiring.
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We're playing epicmafia, not Russian Roulette or RNG games.
You're supposed to fire based on input during day meetings, if you hipfire at the beginning of the day, its gamethrowing since you're playing against your win condition.
If you gun down your genuine scumread after sufficient input without asking for a claim, I do not think its GT or Trolling.
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if they hipfire ban them forever :^)
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Like what is the difference between hipfiring my scumread and getting a full cross then hammering them with no claim?
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Why is this a rule? If my hipfire loses the game its gt, but on an ml i dont see the problem. Do i have to let my maf read fish the pr before im allowed to shoot them?

You may as well make it against the rules to hammer without claims too if this is a rule.
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I know when I hipfire it's because I'm trolling, not trying to throw.
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ArieI says

the solution is to just play unranked


the goal is to comp SITD for endless hipfiring
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Case by case basis = common sense
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the solution is to just play unranked
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Edork said it best. When people hipfire, they're not intending to lose or not caring about winning. Most people who hipfire, still want to win. They just want to be the hero and find mafia.
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wAIT I missread your post

you're no longer welcome in team edork
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nah i should head to bed soon since i have a long day tomorrow.
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casual mafia?
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Edark says


thebrontosaurus says

I remember Lucid wanted it to be trolling because GT is a severe vio, so the current situation of trolling in red hearts and GT in golds is where we're at.


Welcome to team edork


changing a rule that lucid explicitly asked to be a certain way isn't a great idea.

Personally, I'd like for it to be GT in both, but if Phil wants it this way then there really isn't room to negotiate.

Just don't play gun setups if you can't deal with hipfires.
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thebrontosaurus says

I remember Lucid wanted it to be trolling because GT is a severe vio, so the current situation of trolling in red hearts and GT in golds is where we're at.


Welcome to team edork
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I'm in the UK now I don't follow American law
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i liked that a&d snap dan that was funny did you ever end up going to london
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nah man