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Moderating hipfire

over 8 years

The mod team has recently been discussing how to moderate hipfiring. The current precedent is to consider it a trolling violation in red heart games and a game throwing (GT) violation in competitive games.

We're deciding between the current precedent and two other options.

  1. Trolling throughout. The idea behind this is that game rules are game rules and that moderation should be standardized between red and gold heart games.
  2. Game throwing throughout. This plays to the idea that the action of hipfiring is generally done without "playing to win" and as such falls under game throwing.

Please vote in the poll and if you feel that you have a point that you would like to make, post in this thread. If you have another option that you think is viable, please also let us know!

What should hipfiring be moderated as?
42
Trolling in red hearts, GT in gold hearts
18
Game throwing
16
Trolling
5
Other (please explain)
over 8 years
Wildwhale lets not
over 8 years

Slowbro says

i would be willing to bet my account i could beat you in a popularity contest




Okay lets do it 4sshole, whoever loses deletes?
over 8 years
holy shi*
over 8 years
Gamethrowing is gamethrowing. If you want to moderate red heart games less strictly - do just that... and don't bother to moderate gamethrowing violations there. Why make an exception for this one particular type of throwing compared to the rest?
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i would be willing to bet my account i could beat you in a popularity contest
deletedover 8 years
oh god this as shole is still here?
over 8 years
Is this really an important issue that needs to be polled?

How about just use some common f*cking sense and give GT vios to people who are intentionally trying to play against their win con in a serious game whether it be red or gold hearts.

Give trolling vios to people who are trolling to the point where it ruins the experience of other players.

Seriously im sure your mods are not complete morons who cant make a fair decision based on a certain set of circumstances.

Surely theres better things to focus on as admin. Setting out hard and fast rules where hipfiring is auto trolling/GT is just dumb from the outset.

Fun setups in red hearts (nearly every gun setup) should be just played for fun anyway so unless the hip firing is ruining everyones fun then just let it go...

Goldhearts should be taken slightly more seriously I guess so instant shooting before any reads is probably a vio. Just use your head and discretion please.

You guys dont have to have hard and fast strict rules for everything. You are here to moderate the site not be fun police.

If you wanna do something beyond the general maintenance and support of the community (your job). How about trying to do things that are gonna actually make a difference and possibly expand the user base / retain the userbase.

Small minds think about small issues.
over 8 years

Slowbro says

or anyone, if mafia has taught me anything


case-by-case basis

/end
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or anyone, if mafia has taught me anything
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you can't please everyone
over 8 years
Asking for the communities opinion doesn't mean you can't in the end trust your own judgment.
over 8 years

Devante says


groundhogday says

the old precedent of giving it trolling if they had clear intent to win after hipfiring was better


Right, and if the cop intentionally checks no one on autowin but tries really really hard and has clear intent to win after checking no one they should get a trolling vio


the motive in hipfiring is different from the motive in throwing autowin
over 8 years

Matt12 says

Cody, why did you even bother asking for our opinion on the issue


Prolly to get the communities opinions before making a decision that affects the community, like he should
over 8 years
nah, he left Petri as mod, so the point stands
over 8 years

Matt12 says

Cody, why did you even bother asking for our opinion on the issue


*flashback to everyone screaming on 6 separate threads that Cody doesn't care what the community thinks and doesn't ask for their opinion*
over 8 years
No reason to consider red and gold as same. However, in some red games if the hipfired is on someone you singled out, then it is gt. If you shot randomly then it is trolling. In gold both are gt because you know the stakes are high.
over 8 years
Cody, why did you even bother asking for our opinion on the issue
over 8 years

groundhogday says

the old precedent of giving it trolling if they had clear intent to win after hipfiring was better


Right, and if the cop intentionally checks no one on autowin but tries really really hard and has clear intent to win after checking no one they should get a trolling vio
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Matt12 says


Slowbro says

remember when jack and alsharpton cheated together and one of al's throwaway alts that he threw for jack on was "fuckinggameofthrones"


are we sure jack cheated


not at all
over 8 years

vilden says


Impoetic says


Forrest says


Forrest says

Hammer me daddy, I've been a bad maffer


Did I say maffer? I meant I'm miller


the last comp game I played, we were all talking in pregame about how it was a really great table, and then this sicko denial joined to accuse me of being junkrat again. I had a CP claiming I was clear for not n1ing denial ready for d1 and guess what? Denial, the miller, was cold as the rock I thought was in his brain. So I wept a little since I was kind of looking forward to playing with him and being blatant town, and cried out that he was my friend and then this one nobody called MentosGum outed as cop with guilty on me.

This was BV, so you were supposed to out as cop. That was well and good. In BV, you don't out your report. I kicked and screamed like the towny baby I was as these players I respected all sheeped the cop in lynching the report in a 2-miller, 1-gf setup because of some superficial evidence against me. And like, that would be a pretty stupid wifom even if I were one of those players that used N1 deaths to fake clear myself, but whatever.

Night came and I noticed 2 of the good players were mafia. Another was doc, and he fun-saved a blue. The 2 mafiosi were torn between killing the blue that would've gotten saved and the actual doc.

Kicks came and they killed the actual doc. The cop had checked the godfather and lynched their check for the second time that game without even outing it, so town was left in 3-way no clears and lost.

The story has an Aesopp. I learned my lesson all over gain; denial is not stupid at all, compared to the rest of the trash on this planet.


also did u not consider this post when u tried to be ironically funny pointing out the length of my post? did u forget writing this bc it was posted only 3 hours ago


never said i didn't also post tl;drs on epicmafiadcom ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
over 8 years
how is it anything but trolling. I definitely think you should at least mention it in the game throwing violation thing as its hard to know that you are going to be punished for it.
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vil "little wiener" den
over 8 years

Impoetic says


Forrest says


Forrest says

Hammer me daddy, I've been a bad maffer


Did I say maffer? I meant I'm miller


the last comp game I played, we were all talking in pregame about how it was a really great table, and then this sicko denial joined to accuse me of being junkrat again. I had a CP claiming I was clear for not n1ing denial ready for d1 and guess what? Denial, the miller, was cold as the rock I thought was in his brain. So I wept a little since I was kind of looking forward to playing with him and being blatant town, and cried out that he was my friend and then this one nobody called MentosGum outed as cop with guilty on me.

This was BV, so you were supposed to out as cop. That was well and good. In BV, you don't out your report. I kicked and screamed like the towny baby I was as these players I respected all sheeped the cop in lynching the report in a 2-miller, 1-gf setup because of some superficial evidence against me. And like, that would be a pretty stupid wifom even if I were one of those players that used N1 deaths to fake clear myself, but whatever.

Night came and I noticed 2 of the good players were mafia. Another was doc, and he fun-saved a blue. The 2 mafiosi were torn between killing the blue that would've gotten saved and the actual doc.

Kicks came and they killed the actual doc. The cop had checked the godfather and lynched their check for the second time that game without even outing it, so town was left in 3-way no clears and lost.

The story has an Aesopp. I learned my lesson all over gain; denial is not stupid at all, compared to the rest of the trash on this planet.


also did u not consider this post when u tried to be ironically funny pointing out the length of my post? did u forget writing this bc it was posted only 3 hours ago
over 8 years
in more important news, unreal tournament 4 is a lot of fun
over 8 years

Impoetic says


vilden says


Forrest says

I'm not reading that lol


why not troll elsewhere dumbass


laments the guy typing essays in defense of hipfiring


>in defense of hipfiring
ur joke would be funny if this were what i was doing. im also confused how you replied the first time without even understanding the argument i made