The problem with focusing so much on gun laws is that we have no idea if that will actually make a difference, and by the time that such a big change would actually take effect, it is certain that many more mass shooting would occur in that time and many more lives would be lost.
For those of you who know anything about stats, the graphs below indicate an interesting predicament.
So either the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings per year is an inverse relationship (which would mean more guns = less shootings, a debatable scenario), or there is no actual relationship between these two stats and it is purely coincidence. It is also possible that they are in fact related, but there is another factor involved somewhere that would prevent a change in either one directly affecting the other since correlation does not equal causation.
If there is no actual relationship between the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings, then something else is at play. Until we find what that thing is, which I have proposed here to be, at least in part, the copycat effect increased by the popular media, people will continue to die while we debate each other over politics.
You've got to remember that this data doesn't really account for the types of guns within each household. No one's exactly going to pull off a mass killing with an old school shot gun, are they?
Pretending that the accessibility of guns is the issue when it comes to the increasing mass shooting rates is a serious problem, as things like http://www.isidewith.com/poll/3507538 show that a significant change in gun control will not occur for a while, if ever. You're beating a dead horse no matter which side you're on, and you need to start looking for other reasons why the rates are changing in the way they are or at least practical ways to improve the situation. Lives are lost while people act like they're actually making a difference by debating politics.
The problem with focusing so much on gun laws is that we have no idea if that will actually make a difference, and by the time that such a big change would actually take effect, it is certain that many more mass shooting would occur in that time and many more lives would be lost.
For those of you who know anything about stats, the graphs below indicate an interesting predicament.
So either the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings per year is an inverse relationship (which would mean more guns = less shootings, a debatable scenario), or there is no actual relationship between these two stats and it is purely coincidence. It is also possible that they are in fact related, but there is another factor involved somewhere that would prevent a change in either one directly affecting the other since correlation does not equal causation.
If there is no actual relationship between the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings, then something else is at play. Until we find what that thing is, which I have proposed here to be, at least in part, the copycat effect increased by the popular media, people will continue to die while we debate each other over politics.
i find it really weird how many americans can be attached to their guns so strongly for no good reason
this.
americans literally would rather have a mass shooting every day in this modern age than just get rid of a bad policy of allowing more than 300 million guns in a country with 320 million people.
that's not to say it isn't a problem, but the solution isnt banning guns. it's getting rid of the stigma behind mental illness and making help accessible, and putting stricter regulations on guns, so that getting a gun permit requires actual effort. at least, imo.
I guess we should all accept that mass shootings have been happening with increasing frequency and pay no heed to how to prevent the loss of human life from occurring. You're a brilliant thinker.
I'm simply rational and logical. You can discuss it all you like, which is why I said I didn't mind any of the posts. I respect that people did care. I'm not apathetic towards the subject. Of course people getting shot isn't cool. But I can't do anything about it right now, and I have other things to do with my time than saving the world. It happened. What's the problem.
Edit: Idk what makes you think I'm defending mass shootings and saying people shouldn't care. I'm just saying that things happen all the time. Of course people do try to do things about them. So wasting time focusing on it instead of just living your life is a waste. I'm not posting anymore, I'm not wasting my time explaining what clearly isn't understood FMPOV.
if you have family here then i understand. but if you dont have family here, never come here, and just start sh*t when you hear about it, then you don't care, you just want to continue trashtalking the US. guns will never be banned in the US. end of story. it will never happen.
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there was a school shooting at a local middle school about two or three years ago. i think that qualifies as "affecting day-to-day life".
Did your child get shot? Did you keep your kids from going to school because of it? Did the world stop spinning? Do people keep living their lives anyway?
I guess you're right. I should not fear for my own life when a middle schooler has access to a gun and uses it on an adult. Truly, it's irrational of me to also fear for the welfare of those around me.
Sh*t happens. That's life. People have free will. You're not going to change the world, and that's not going to be taken away. So worrying about crap that isn't going to make a real difference doesn't matter. still happens, children in Africa still starve, people still get shot. The world is bigger than a middle school shooting.
Yeah, I guess apathy is the only way to live life. There's no point to anything. Why care about anything ever?
It has nothing to do with apathy. It has to do with accepting that things happen and living anyway. A simple life lesson that should be learned early on. Keep living in fear of things you can't control like it'll make a difference. Unless you personally intend to change things, you're not really saying anything. It's like not going outside because you could get hit by a random drunk driver. I'm not getting baited any longer and explaining obvious things.
I guess we should all accept that mass shootings have been happening with increasing frequency and pay no heed to how to prevent the loss of human life from occurring. You're a brilliant thinker.
why do people outside of the united states care about what happens in the united states so much please hush
i have family members in many parts of the united states, i go to the us about 3 times a year, i think caring about others is something most human beings do
i laughed the first time i saw this, then i think the last time we discussed this on the forums you linked it and i watched the whole thing again and laughed, i'll probably watch the whole thing again later tonight and laugh once again
all 3 times were at gun advocates expense btw
oh yeah it's a great comedic bit, jim jefferies is hilarious. but it's also one thousand percent accurate as well
there was a school shooting at a local middle school about two or three years ago. i think that qualifies as "affecting day-to-day life".
Did your child get shot? Did you keep your kids from going to school because of it? Did the world stop spinning? Do people keep living their lives anyway?
I guess you're right. I should not fear for my own life when a middle schooler has access to a gun and uses it on an adult. Truly, it's irrational of me to also fear for the welfare of those around me.
Sh*t happens. That's life. People have free will. You're not going to change the world, and that's not going to be taken away. So worrying about crap that isn't going to make a real difference doesn't matter. still happens, children in Africa still starve, people still get shot. The world is bigger than a middle school shooting.
Yeah, I guess apathy is the only way to live life. There's no point to anything. Why care about anything ever?
It has nothing to do with apathy. It has to do with accepting that things happen and living anyway. A simple life lesson that should be learned early on. Keep living in fear of things you can't control like it'll make a difference. Unless you personally intend to change things, you're not really saying anything. It's like not going outside because you could get hit by a random drunk driver. I'm not getting baited any longer and explaining obvious things.
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why do people outside of the united states care about what happens in the united states so much please hush
i laughed the first time i saw this, then i think the last time we discussed this on the forums you linked it and i watched the whole thing again and laughed, i'll probably watch the whole thing again later tonight and laugh once again