Epicmafia

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the guns aren't the problem

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ling says

the problem with mass shootings isnt so much gun laws, its more about the media glamorizing/publicizing it. You can't do anything about that tho.

Yes, journalists should be much more considerate in the way they report, and not make enormous stories about the tale behind the shooting and what message the obviously insane shooter was trying to send.

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harodihg says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

Once again, misleading information. This is not based on gun-related crimes, which is the matter that we are discussing. Nice try though.

Awnyy

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Everyone who has genitals is a potential sex offender.

The

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harodihg says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

Damn, what's up with Greenland?

ling

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the problem with mass shootings isnt so much gun laws, its more about the media glamorizing/publicizing it. You can't do anything about that tho.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.svg

The

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cashmere says

it still does not hurt to take precautions even if "guns" are just a speculative primary factor.

But it takes time to make those changes, and it seems like most politicians (and the general populace) can only focus on one possible factor at a time. Things like http://www.isidewith.com/poll/3507538 and the way politicians debate indicate that the gun issue is going to be something that will take forever to enact major changes on, so unless they can suddenly obtain the ability to effectively multitask and consider different factors at once, I'd like to see the main part of the debate grounded in factors that are actually supported by US data.

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roadman says

Tumblrites are gonna hunt me down for saying faggotbox.

18+

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oh there was a shooting in America today

I thought this was just a regular thread

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You can attack me as a person all you want harodihg, but you haven't been able to address my argument at all, so I'm not fazed at all.

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"Educate yourself", Markus whispered to himself sliding his hands back into his lap after hitting enter to post his latest EpicMafia debacle. He sighs and leans back in his chair wondering when people will reach his level of intellect. His discontent growing each day as he continually tries to open everyone's' eyes with riveting posts such as:

Markus32m 20s
Can America actually wake up from this daydream that they seem to constantly be in???? Like USA is literally the laughing stock of all other Westernised countries and they don't even know it.

But before he can make another witty post he hears his mother yell from downstairs, "Marky dear, the meatloaf is ready, come on down".

ling

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not really i just dont want to read a long a ss post at 8 am when i just woke up

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we can start restricting guns by banning guns from comp, just imho

The

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ling says

i appreciate the effort moderator THE, but theres is a 0% chance i read that long as fck post

im sry u feel the worlds major problms can b solvd in 140 chars or less

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The says

The problem with focusing so much on gun laws is that we have no idea if that will actually make a difference, and by the time that such a big change would actually take effect, it is certain that many more mass shooting would occur in that time and many more lives would be lost.

For those of you who know anything about stats, the graphs below indicate and interesting predicament.

So either the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings per year is an inverse relationship (which would mean more guns = less shootings, a debatable scenario), or there is no actual relationship between these two stats and it is purely coincidence. It is also possible that they are in fact related, but there is another factor involved somewhere that would prevent a change in either one directly affecting the other since correlation does not equal causation.

The problem is that if there is no actual relationship between the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings, then something else is at play. Until we find what that thing is, which I have proposed here to be, at least in part, the copycat effect increased by the popular media, people will continue to die while we debate each other over politics.

it still does not hurt to take precautions even if "guns" are just a speculative primary factor.

ling

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i appreciate the effort moderator THE, but theres is a 0% chance i read that long as fck post

Satan

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ban all guns.

The

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The problem with focusing so much on gun laws is that we have no idea if that will actually make a difference, and by the time that such a big change would actually take effect, it is certain that many more mass shooting would occur in that time and many more lives would be lost.

For those of you who know anything about stats, the graphs below indicate an interesting predicament.

So either the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings per year is an inverse relationship (which would mean more guns = less shootings, a debatable scenario), or there is no actual relationship between these two stats and it is purely coincidence. It is also possible that they are in fact related, but there is another factor involved somewhere that would prevent a change in either one directly affecting the other since correlation does not equal causation.

If there is no actual relationship between the percentage of households that own guns and the number of mass shootings, then something else is at play. Until we find what that thing is, which I have proposed here to be, at least in part, the copycat effect increased by the popular media, people will continue to die while we debate each other over politics.

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I'm pro-gun control. You're just misunderstanding what I said entirely.

ling

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thats not what this topic is about tho, in my defense ijust woke up and read the word 'gun' and assumed the topic of discussion

ling

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harodihg says

Honestly ling, I'm more inclined to believe that there's a much higher relation between lack of violence and race/religion/poverty rate in countries than lack of guns. You hear about the 1,000 random shootings in the US yearly that are sick and disgusting and all - but you don't hear about the even higher rate of murders from petty crimes or racial violence in other 3rd world countries.

But in comparison with other first world countries with gun control laws its a different story. In australia theres rarely any gun related deaths (i think), the level of overall crime and death from petty crimes/racial violence is also down.

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harodihg says

Honestly ling, I'm more inclined to believe that there's a much higher relation between lack of violence and race/religion/poverty rate in countries than lack of guns. You hear about the 1,000 random shootings in the US yearly that are sick and disgusting and all - but you don't hear about the even higher rate of murders from petty crimes or racial violence in other 3rd world countries.

You are so desperate to expel any links between access to guns and gun-related crimes. You can try your utter best to blame religion, or race, or mental illness, but guess what? New Zealand has diverse religions, races and its fair share of mentally ill citizens, however what you don't see are mass shootings due to its gun control laws. Educate yourself.

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yes because the topic of debate is gun violence

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Honestly ling, I'm more inclined to believe that there's a much higher relation between lack of violence and race/religion/poverty rate in countries than lack of guns. You hear about the 1,000 random shootings in the US yearly that are sick and disgusting and all - but you don't hear about the even higher rate of murders from petty crimes or racial violence in other 3rd world countries.

anyone who owns a gun