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Honest Meta

thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Quick question for people who are better at this than me:

What's the deal with honest meta again? Is it considered OGI if someone has a meta that they stick to and is known by the community / tables a person plays with? (IE "I always and only say "town here" as town", or "I only pinky swear if I'm town").

I don't remember any of the past verdicts on this.

Thanks guys.

What is it?
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It's OGI
24
Free Gallis Hunter
7
Not OGI (pls explain)
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demod bront
cloudminnion
over 10 years

Giga says

Reminder that round 9 was like 400 years ago and nobody on the mod team except nikki and cloud were here when it happened


oh yeah
Peta
over 10 years
Jess only won because someone else played her hearts for her, I can't remember who
Shacky
over 10 years
that was the first round i played with lolumad
Shacky
over 10 years
I Was Here
Giga
over 10 years
Thanks Pete
Peta
over 10 years
Good job Giga you really grasped the point of that post
Giga
over 10 years
Reminder that round 9 was like 400 years ago and nobody on the mod team except nikki and cloud were here when it happened
Giga
over 10 years
Abusing honest meta is OGI
Peta
over 10 years
Reminder https://epicmafia.com/round/9
Peta
over 10 years

Empire says


Peta says

Jack also said this.


Jack outright caught him rolesharing when Kennedy accidentally MSN'd him over someone else.

And he had the logs+screenshot to prove it.


Yeah, I know. I figured there was a decent chance he forged it all for laughs but since then I've gotten a lot less paranoid of the heights of Jack's dedication to trolling.
Peta
over 10 years

Dawsoni says

Tbh Tonkster and I kinda just got Kennedy banned on bs evidence because he cheated before and was probably cheating again


That's pretty chill TBQH
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Delicate says

Round 102


rich.
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Round 102
deletedover 10 years
Change the word 'honest' to 'established' and there's your answer.
deletedover 10 years
It used to be OGI violation(s) + suspend their runs back when Riot did it I think
Owen
over 10 years
In my opinion, honest meta is OGI because it gives the meta-er an advantage over everyone else before the game even started which I think defeats the point of the game of Mafia. I think people -should- leave their 'meta' aside when they play, but that's just not the case.

If anyone strongly disagrees I'd love to hear your opinion about it, because I'm not 100% steadfast on this.
Shacky
over 10 years
it's all subjective. if it's severe and over a long period of games, it would be more cheating than OGI.
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thebrontosaurus says

This is what I'd want to punish, but I don't know the severity of it (could it disqualify a run?) and what the violation would be (OGI? Cheating?)


OGI would be being very lenient. It is honestly much closer to cheating (In that the OGI is being used to reveal your role/alignment in a very conclusive way similar to a screenshot)
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
What were they banned under?
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hedger says


thebrontosaurus says

What if it is something that is known universally and stuck to 100%?

Wasn't there a guy who get banned a while ago who never lied or something like that?


Yes, I can't remember his name (something like INeverLie) but I remember the report, he got banned because it gave everyone an unfair advantage. If he was mafia and you asked him if he was mafia, he would say yes because he couldn't lie. So it gave mafia an unfair disadvantage whether he was town or mafia.


there have been a lot of honest meta accounts that have been banned
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

Empire says


Itter says

i'd think the only cases where honest meta would be an issue is if it were to be abused in a way that gave a person an advantage over everyone because of said honest meta


This is literally the point of honest meta.


This is what I'd want to punish, but I don't know the severity of it (could it disqualify a run?) and what the violation would be (OGI? Cheating?)
hedger
over 10 years

thebrontosaurus says

What if it is something that is known universally and stuck to 100%?

Wasn't there a guy who get banned a while ago who never lied or something like that?


Yes, I can't remember his name (something like INeverLie) but I remember the report, he got banned because it gave everyone an unfair advantage. If he was mafia and you asked him if he was mafia, he would say yes because he couldn't lie. So it gave mafia an unfair disadvantage whether he was town or mafia.
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If its a known thing to happen how is it not ogi.
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Peta says

Jack also said this.


Jack outright caught him rolesharing when Kennedy accidentally MSN'd him over someone else.

And he had the logs+screenshot to prove it.
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Itter says

i'd think the only cases where honest meta would be an issue is if it were to be abused in a way that gave a person an advantage over everyone because of said honest meta


This is literally the point of honest meta.