Quick question for people who are better at this than me:
What's the deal with honest meta again? Is it considered OGI if someone has a meta that they stick to and is known by the community / tables a person plays with? (IE "I always and only say "town here" as town", or "I only pinky swear if I'm town").
I don't remember any of the past verdicts on this.
What if someone honest metas four games in a row, and uses it to his advantage in game five?
deletedover 10 years
i didn't go through every single game of mw's this round i just chose certain games where he admits to only using his ate to prove he is town but since he says he doesn't do it as mafia and usually only plays with friends thennn...
deletedover 10 years
Wait people can still play them right? Nevermind I'm stupid.
deletedover 10 years
If you suspend him be sure to give Jazz time to play his heart.
honest meta has always been illegal. why do you guys need to discuss it? just give a ogi vio and a cheating vio if they do it in all games with a particular person.
deletedover 10 years
This is pretty much how I saw it
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[3:18:32 PM] no: of nearly the same situation happening [3:18:32 PM] no: right now [3:18:36 PM] no: mw's way of playing [3:18:51 PM] no: is no different from a user named couch who had on his profile [3:18:58 PM] no: 'a couch can never lie, ask for the couch report' [3:19:38 PM] no: and he set an unfair advantage where he would hold to this regardless of alignment and took out the aspect of actually reading someone, because what mw is saying right now is basically that you have to read him that way [3:19:47 PM] no: if he 'ates' [3:19:52 PM] no: its literally no different lol [3:20:23 PM] no: dq his run [3:20:23 PM] no: sorry [3:20:30 PM] no: he needs to be dqed [3:21:01 PM] no: sorry that's not strategy it's blatant abuse
repost from what i said in a chat regarding MW
deletedover 10 years
Anonymous games are a possible solution if you create a clause within the game setting that would prohibit any outing of player names. For instance, "Dark Green, are you [xxx]" could be given a warning/warning/vio policy or something.
deletedover 10 years
lol @ "learning not to abuse" meta though, good luck with that one
deletedover 10 years
If he plays with people regularly enough to know this meta on him, or if he outright claims it when he's town that he'd NEVER ATE AS MAFIA, then yes it does give him an advantage against his opponents. Anyone can read him as town every single game he flips town, automatically lynching anyone he'd go toe-to-toe with. What he's doing isn't skilful, it's just mundane and follows a protocol.
As he has far more likelihood to flip town then mafia at the start of this game, this therefore means he has a large advantage. There is also nothing to suggest that he may not get lynched as mafia, simply because he can kill people who are aware of his meta and win a cc battle against those who aren't aware.
deletedover 10 years
You can't really stop people from having these advantages though? The only way to stop it would be anonymous games but I don't think that's really the solution. People just need to learn not to abuse it.
Yeah, caroline, that's what I mean by not one player in particular that knows this, it's pretty much just a common understanding between him and anyone who he's played with that that is what he does as certain alignments pretty consistently.
deletedover 10 years
What I'm getting at is that prior knowledge, ANY prior knowledge, about how someone behaves ingame, ie. meta, inherently gives you an advantage over the players that don't have it, and is thus 100% unfair to begin with.
deletedover 10 years
his mafia games seem to be with the same players who would know his meta so its an obvious advantage but not enough for a suspension, like, imo should be a warning to stop
mfw me and caroline say the same thing
deletedover 10 years
from what i've seen throughout most games tho, is if he is playing with a friend they will automatically townread him for AtEing so you could say it's more known between people who have played with him more than others
deletedover 10 years
Prior knowledge being related to the game or their behaviors in games*
deletedover 10 years
Sorry I'll rephrase... Meta clearing should just be out and out banned from gameplay. I agree with the points you've made Retti, I'm speaking specifically about people making themselves completely unlynchable from the first second of the first day.
Yeah, this was my concern. The problem is, unlike a lot of cases I've seen over the course of a run - he doesn't do this with any one person in particular, but instead just in general. I'm not sure if it's something that should or could disqualify his run because it's difficult to prove that he gained a distinct advantage from it outside the fact that he got 1900 points.
deletedover 10 years
MW's case is very sketchy and I don't condone the type of behavior, and it's much different from saying what you would do and wouldn't do as mafia because the offenses have become repeated and he's using it to an unfair advantage; it's honest meta.
deletedover 10 years
lol
deletedover 10 years
ok i read every game he's had as mafia in this entire run (besides the recent ones cause now he'll purposely do it) and hes never ate'd+claimed town+claimed to ate all at once like he does as town. he usually does the ate and claims town if anything. so it is honest meta.
deletedover 10 years
No, meta is absolutely unavoidable in a game based around social interaction, and would be arguably the most important aspect of mafia as most meta revolves around your experiences with certain players to determine a read. We cannot ban something like that, and we can't ban someone using prior knowledge of someone or something to their advantage, unless it is used in a way that would be unfair or abuse.
