Quick question for people who are better at this than me:
What's the deal with honest meta again? Is it considered OGI if someone has a meta that they stick to and is known by the community / tables a person plays with? (IE "I always and only say "town here" as town", or "I only pinky swear if I'm town").
I don't remember any of the past verdicts on this.
An example of a run involving honest meta would be any of LOLUMAD's runs in which he'd play with multiple friends and point-blank clear himself whenever one of them died N1.
I see, I always thought of honest meta more of as "I never say X when I'm mafia", not so much as related to someone else being in the game, but that makes sense since there's definitely overlap.
It was meta abuse, not honest meta, but the two tend to bleed into each other since meta abuse often involves a sort of honest meta shared between the collaborators.
Kennedy is an old user who trophy ran with someone (i genuinely forget her name) and didn't explictly cheat with the user in terms of role sharing but heavily abused meta where he was given an advantage over everyone in games by making explict statements barring what kennedy would do and wouldn't do with her being in the game, which eventually got him banned.
I'd say that if you can compile a list of 5-10 games within a relatively short period in which a player uses honest meta then that person should be punished even if the occurrences never occurred during a trophy run.
It's a bit of both. There's something on my mind related to it, but I also genuinely wasn't sure and wanted to poll the community on it because I don't remember the ruling.
I agree with Peta and Shacky here though, single games aren't so bad as over a run.
This is a clear form of OGI and it has always been treated as such.
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if i may ask bronto did you make this thread because of something that you're mulling over right now or that you think that a precedent should be established
we should fix that precedent, because that's cheating at that point
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you can't really moderate meta without context so i'd say it should be a case by case thing instead of a violation itself, though i would be fine with something like a meta abuse violation (though i suppose this falls under cheating)
Easily confirmable claims like "I never kill Connor N1" have been prohibited but people have always been able to get around it by saying "I wouldn't kill Connor here." I don't think it's ever been scrutinized on the level of individual games but people like Kennedy have rightly been punished for using it during trophy runs.
