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ban guns from competitive games

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people are using the same mentality for shooting a gun as lynching, it's absolutely impossible to make a competitively viable setup with guns, they promote trolling and gamethrowing, the power to instantly remove one person from the game is overbearing and this community can't handle it. furthermore, remove deputy, sniper and gunsmith from competitive lobby and training lobby. part of the problem is guns cause games to become trollish, fast-paced and lower effort which has leaked onto other games, guns probably should be banned from competitive lobby yes, guns are slowly killing competitive lobby. and by slowly, i mean someone get nikki on the phone and tell him to ban guns from competitive lobby. guns are becoming the new lynch, that'st he problem with most new setups. lynching is only ever for lylos now, and equivalent to set in stone absolutes, rather than placeholders for FOSes and reactions. it also encourages a chain of command that makes reading harder, hence why most gun setups end up being scumsided. not only do you run the risk of a *** pr, you also lose any valuable voting process and instead get SHOOT KYLE LOL a bunch. by replacing lynching for a ML with guns, you effectively neuter most competent setups and ruin any form of methodical strategy that could be employed.

guns shouldnt be in comp lobby.. plain and simple, they are either game breaking for town and make easy wins out of nothing or they give mafia a free win because the person with gun shoots. also , theres an entire rule dedicated to hipfiring with guns. guns give people an excuse to grudge lynch people without being able to be opposed. if youre pr with gun you have full control no matter how much town objects, which is just silly.

setup the best setup is what more setups should look like. both PRs shoudl optimally hide instead of claiming , PR claim d1 is the only bad thing about VDLI. if one of the power roles was squishy instead of hard to kill (doc is "squishy, bp is "hard to kill", etc") then it would be great , imo.

and i remember when people actually LIKED playing those scumhunt based setups,. they preferred it to gimmick ones. regardless of whether anyone thinks overall play is worse or better, the attitude people have towards scumhunt setups or scumhunting in general is worse now, which makes overall play worse as a result.

SquirtleSquad
over 10 years
zing!
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SquirtleSquad says

because the filter list isnt perfect


neither are your posts but i'm not complaining
Sims
over 10 years
i don't like seeing people post with the word shake in their name
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
Also Cantankerous, I deleted your post. Be more mindful in the future about that sort of stuff, please.
deletedover 10 years
the amount of extremities people are stating right now is really silly considered anything done can be undone
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years

ShakeShake says

this is boring and i have no idea why people would waste their time arguing something so insignificant in the spectrum of everything




It's so weird seeing someone post with a different alias of yourself.
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SquirtleSquad says


Cantankerous says

bronto, quit being on epicmafia. you're dangerously close to finding my em virtual [redacted] collection........


bronto delete this post it's inappropriate content also give cantankerous a violation


you have better things to do, you just neglect them on a consistent basis.
SquirtleSquad
over 10 years
because the filter list isnt perfect
deletedover 10 years
if it's inappropriate content then why wasn't it filtered out?
deletedover 10 years
this is boring and i have no idea why people would waste their time arguing something so insignificant in the spectrum of everything
deletedover 10 years
it's ok man - if you want to run future posts by me before posting them just send me a pm
SquirtleSquad
over 10 years

Cantankerous says

bronto, quit being on epicmafia. you're dangerously close to finding my em virtual [redacted] collection........


bronto delete this post it's inappropriate content also give cantankerous a violation
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
Sorry I'll fix it. I should go to bed.
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thebrontosaurus says

...we discuss and try and hear everyone's opinions ...


try TO Hear
SquirtleSquad
over 10 years

pranay7744 says


@squirtle--- what is wrong with too many variables????????? how is it bad?? since you cant manage to gather that much data and process it while playing you think it should be banned????? why not ban multi setups too???


You're *** stupid.

A gunsmith can and often does gun a random person.
That random person can be mafia, which usually leads to an autoloss, they can be someone who doesn't know what to do, which usually leads to a loss, they can be killed, which wastes the gun. The gunsmith might be hooked, so you will never know if the person received the gun. The gunsmith might be killed, so you will never know if ANYONE received a gun.

Gunsmith is atrocious for competitive play. Sheriff and Deputy aren't even comparable.
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KillHimNotMe says

then you've never seen bronto play jenga :):):) LOL


owned.
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
Nothing has changed yet, this is just discussion. It's good we discuss and try to hear everyone's opinions on issues and discuss theoretical solutions. There are plenty of ways I personally would like to handle things, although obviously I'm not going to abuse my power to do them simply because it's what I'd like. There's an entire site of people to consider which is why it's important to talk things through and hear everyone's opinion. I value your opinion, Pranay. I'd value it a lot more if you didn't constantly hurl insults at me because we disagree about setups.

Nothing may come of tonight's discussion, but at the very least I think it's good that kyle made this thread and that we discussed it.
deletedover 10 years
then you've never seen bronto play jenga :):):) LOL
deletedover 10 years
i've yet to see bronto make a call worthy of this level of criticism.
MeIody
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

you also banned A&D with just 7 people involved in the voting. you should take a sitewide voting for that too. i remember each word of that A&D thread i read when i was a mod. It was a very biased move from you. No one responded and you jumped the gun. didnt even let more people vote.


Banning it made more sense than being discriminatory and giving it a time out, as Arcbell tried to make a case for. Chill out though dude, bronto's doing amazingly.
Edark
over 10 years
Banning A/D was a good thing to do though,that setup sucks
deletedover 10 years
pranay what was the 14th word of that A&D thread you read when you were a mod??
pranay7744
over 10 years
you also banned A&D with just 7 people involved in the voting. you should take a sitewide voting for that too. i remember each word of that A&D thread i read when i was a mod. It was a very biased move from you. No one responded and you jumped the gun. didnt even let more people vote.
deletedover 10 years
pranay7743 please list the characteristics of a good moderator and the characteristics of a bad moderator
Sims
over 10 years

pranay7744 says

people supported you because of the way you talk. your work is incredibly bad.


that would be more valid if it was directed at arcbell, because his faux-intellectual mannerisms are pretty much the only reason people thought he would be good