Epicmafia

over 7 years

Parudoks says

Regardless, this argument has gone on long enough. At this point in time, it's become quite clear that no one has any intention of changing their minds. So we may as well end it here. I'm going back to studying for finals.

here's something to think about if you're interested in psych

people NEVER change their minds during an argument, but ideas from the argument manifest and influence their beliefs once they're no longer committed to defending their side. this is because, at the time of debate, you find yourself in a situation where you have to defend your beliefs just as you would defend your existence and to concede is to cease. outside of this context, however, you can digest aforementioned ideas more easily and even if you don't accept them you might still mold your beliefs around them

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i hate anecdotal evidence being used in arguments

over 7 years

Parudoks says

I hope you're not actually referring to me, because I didn't learn bigotry/persecution in my civics class. I learned it when people spit on me because of my faith. Or when someone didn't like the religion of my friend, so he grabbed her shirt and began to drive letting her be dragged across the pavement.

i dont even know you're faith

you could say i'm as impartial as it gets when it comes to whatever you believe

but both of those instances are physical, not verbal

over 7 years

Regardless, this argument has gone on long enough. At this point in time, it's become quite clear that no one has any intention of changing their minds. So we may as well end it here. I'm going back to studying for finals.

Bebop

over 7 years

are you a muslim parudoks i never knew this

over 7 years

blood4bloodgod says

It's becoming rapidly apparent that a lot of people in this topic don't understand what real bigotry and persecution mean or entail. I'm very grateful you learned something in your 7th grade civics class, and want to change the world for the better and that's fantastic. Don't, however, assume that having these words in your cultural lexicon, which have a lot of innate emotional baggage associated with them, means you get to throw said words around to get your way. I'm sorry, but pointing out that bigotry and injustice should be stopped in the world isn't a segway into: so we should therefore censor a video game lobby. That isn't a compelling logical argument, and you're belittling the actual real world injustices that occur on a daily basis.

to be honest i don't like to make this argument because it's the whole fallacy of "who has it worse," which dismisses any problem deemed "unworthy" even if it is still a problem

the argument i prefer to make is the distinction between attitudes and actions, because attitudes are a matter of perception and can be influenced while actions are more or less emotionally blunted and tend to carry regret which reinforces the beliefs that inspire them

over 7 years

blood4bloodgod says

It's becoming rapidly apparent that a lot of people in this topic don't understand what real bigotry and persecution mean or entail. I'm very grateful you learned something in your 7th grade civics class, and want to change the world for the better and that's fantastic. Don't, however, assume that having these words in your cultural lexicon, which have a lot of innate emotional baggage associated with them, means you get to throw said words around to get your way. I'm sorry, but pointing out that bigotry and injustice should be stopped in the world isn't a segway into: so we should therefore censor a video game lobby. That isn't a compelling logical argument, and you're belittling the actual real world injustices that occur on a daily basis.

I hope you're not actually referring to me, because I didn't learn bigotry/persecution in my civics class. I learned it when people spit on me because of my faith. Or when someone didn't like the religion of my friend, so he grabbed her shirt and began to drive letting her be dragged across the pavement.

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im jewish can i get in on this being discriminated thing too

deletedover 7 years

blood4bloodgod says

It's becoming rapidly apparent that a lot of people in this topic don't understand what real bigotry and persecution mean or entail. I'm very grateful you learned something in your 7th grade civics class, and want to change the world for the better and that's fantastic. Don't, however, assume that having these words in your cultural lexicon, which have a lot of innate emotional baggage associated with them, means you get to throw said words around to get your way. I'm sorry, but pointing out that bigotry and injustice should be stopped in the world isn't a segway into: so we should therefore censor a video game lobby. That isn't a compelling logical argument, and you're belittling the actual real world injustices that occur on a daily basis.

you are gay

blood4bloodgod

over 7 years

It's becoming rapidly apparent that a lot of people in this topic don't understand what real bigotry and persecution mean or entail. I'm very grateful you learned something in your 7th grade civics class, and want to change the world for the better and that's fantastic. Don't, however, assume that having these words in your cultural lexicon, which have a lot of innate emotional baggage associated with them, means you get to throw said words around to get your way. I'm sorry, but pointing out that bigotry and injustice should be stopped in the world isn't a segway into: so we should therefore censor a video game lobby. That isn't a compelling logical argument, and you're belittling the actual real world injustices that occur on a daily basis.

over 7 years

MrMongrel says

cub i dont care what you added to the website tbh, as part of the community im free to express how i feel about this issue and attempt to shape its malleable being how i like.

so am i, you're arguing for what i'm posting as well right now so this seems to be a pointless post

over 7 years

MrMongrel says

enforcing policies around racism is absolutely beneficial to fighting it as a social issue because it takes away the power from the person being a bigot trying to make someone feel ostracized for their existence and turns them into the outcast. This is why websites like "stormfront" exist, so people who haven't caught up with society can congregate and be angry at the world while we all mock them and laugh for being behind.

you're absolutely right, this is why websites like stormfront exist: because the sentiment never goes away if all you do is run away and never confront it. you know what converts a white supremacist into a rational person? being near black people and realizing they're people too. that's why the end of segregation absolutely decimated racism in the us: it didn't dwindle before mixing, it faded away as a consequence of it

outcasts never die, if they did then gays would no longer exist because they were among the greatest outcasts of recent history. the difference between a homo and a phobe is that one doesn't change, the other does. you facilitate that change not by pushing people away but by accepting them and showing them gradually that their beliefs hold no water

over 7 years

tbh if you want a community that accepts your edgy freeze peaches i recommended a few on page 6. you might find you really fit in there

over 7 years

Ben says

if you really want to get away from discrimination stop going on crusades about how everyone is discriminating against you and just play the fu cking online mafia simulator

I'm using his words. He wants to discriminate against me and then tells me to stop complaining about it and you take his side lol....

over 7 years

with that said im happy with our hc policies and would be even happier if they were better enforced. sorry times change buddy.

over 7 years

cub i dont care what you added to the website tbh, as part of the community im free to express how i feel about this issue and attempt to shape its malleable being how i like.

over 7 years

Parudoks says

cub says

Parudoks says

Ben says

Parudoks says

Ben says

u literally just did it again

Ben, how about you "Play the fu cking online mafia simulator" and stop being an Islamophobe? Lol, it's hilarious how a gay man can be so blind to the consequences of discrimination.

but I haven't said a bad thing about islam in this thread

Key phrase: "in this thread".

what the hell parudoks

i thought this was a fun civil discussion but are you really unabashedly attacking peoples characters now

No, I'm referring to when he was actually being Islamophobic in chatbox while I was around.

i'll assume for the benefit of your argument this isn't taken out of context: why are you talking about it here?

no, before you say it is, it is not relevant. it adds nothing to the conversation, it only serves to slander and dismiss.

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when people convert to islam they get a cool name like muhammad ali or aladdin so hopefully when i convert to islam my name will be allah muslim

over 7 years

tl;dr 4chan is dead. stop trying to revive it everywhere you go.

over 7 years

MrMongrel says

this is a privately owned website

ive gotten lucid to add more than a few things that improved his ~privately owned website~

the community back in the day on this ~privately owned website~ was openly vulgar and followed none of the rules that exist today on this ~privately owned website~

this ~privately owned website~ seems malleable

over 7 years

enforcing policies around racism is absolutely beneficial to fighting it as a social issue because it takes away the power from the person being a bigot trying to make someone feel ostracized for their existence and turns them into the outcast. This is why websites like "stormfront" exist, so people who haven't caught up with society can congregate and be angry at the world while we all mock them and laugh for being behind.

over 7 years

cub says

Parudoks says

Ben says

Parudoks says

Ben says

u literally just did it again

Ben, how about you "Play the fu cking online mafia simulator" and stop being an Islamophobe? Lol, it's hilarious how a gay man can be so blind to the consequences of discrimination.

but I haven't said a bad thing about islam in this thread

Key phrase: "in this thread".

what the hell parudoks

i thought this was a fun civil discussion but are you really unabashedly attacking peoples characters now

No, I'm referring to when he was actually being Islamophobic in chatbox while I was around.