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deletedalmost 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/194216

This is the most clear cut not to mention disgusting HC I've ever seen on the site and you just no vio'd it. This is unrelated to the harassment violation I didn't even request be given, which was given for an entirely different thread. The fact that I initially banned thecolonel for this (which is still what should happen, but I digress) is completely irrelevant. It's disgusting that you think the only appropriate violation for this entire affair is a single warning and that he shouldn't even be marked down for hateful comments.

Edit: I appreciate people backing me up on this but I've made my point clearly and the mod team as a whole apparently disagrees. It's regrettable this kind of hate speech isn't dealt with more severely. However, there's no point in bickering further if the mods feel rule technicalities trumps all.

deletedalmost 9 years

I'm pretty upset about the fact that I agree with Jeff, but in this instance, he's absolutely correct.

JeffreyAaron

almost 9 years

Edark says

JeffreyAaron says

Just because a moderation team was slow to give a vio and he managed to make multiple harassment threads and attacks in that time span doesn't mean we just lump it all up and call it one violation and that's all. He very clearly went past Harassment 1 here.

The moderation team wasnt slow. Mist herself instantly forum suspended thecolonel for 24 hours after the first thread and also apparently warned him verbally(if I read it correctly).

He then proceeded to make a second thread, which gave him 1 violation. Now the question here is that if he deserves an additional HC violation, not an extra harassment vio.

Of course he deserves a HC vio, how is that even in question?

Edark

almost 9 years

Devante says

JeffreyAaron says

Just because a moderation team was slow to give a vio and he managed to make multiple harassment threads and attacks in that time span doesn't mean we just lump it all up and call it one violation and that's all. He very clearly went past Harassment 1 here.

Was the team slow or was the user being harassed slow in reporting ?

Nah mist acted on her own directly as she was a mod at the time, but didnt file a report tho.

JeffreyAaron

almost 9 years

Might I add I don't care for a response to my comments. The last thing I need is to see people justifying harassment and bullying because of some lame precedents on the site. When one has to go to great lengths to explain why someone who is attacking others relentlessly is allowed to continue doing it and only receive mild punishment because "we can't give another vio", then I think it's fairly obvious that side is not seeing the real big picture.

Edark

almost 9 years

JeffreyAaron says

Just because a moderation team was slow to give a vio and he managed to make multiple harassment threads and attacks in that time span doesn't mean we just lump it all up and call it one violation and that's all. He very clearly went past Harassment 1 here.

The moderation team wasnt slow. Mist herself instantly forum suspended thecolonel for 24 hours after the first thread and also apparently warned him verbally(if I read it correctly).

He then proceeded to make a second thread, which gave him 1 violation. Now the question here is that if he deserves an additional HC violation, not an extra harassment vio.

Devante

almost 9 years

Edark says

Devante says

Rutab says

Why was Devante right to do that lmfao

edit: not talking about anything you're arguing here, besides the fact that Devante wasnt right to do that

I did it fairly often with obvious get accounts

Reason being if someone spends 5 games speaking w completely different language on an English speaking website then that's 5 ISPs vios.

Instead of going through and waiting for them to rack up 5 vios I give them one, a former arming to cease and desist & if they don't they get banned

I was allowed to do that because it makes sense

As I understand it it was a random acc who only had 1 game played, which at that time would not make it OK IMO. If they had like 2-3 games with just speaking japanese then it wouldnt be a problem with threatning a ban like that.

Nah it was ok trust lol

Devante

almost 9 years

JeffreyAaron says

Just because a moderation team was slow to give a vio and he managed to make multiple harassment threads and attacks in that time span doesn't mean we just lump it all up and call it one violation and that's all. He very clearly went past Harassment 1 here.

Was the team slow or was the user being harassed slow in reporting ?

deletedalmost 9 years

Indeed, it makes a bunch of sense Devante. Similarly to how it makes sense to just outright ban an account hellbent on launching personal attacks on people with no clear intention of stopping even after they've racked up a few suspensions and violations for it. It's actually quite easy to make a distinction between a player who doesn't know what they're doing, and a player like thecolonel who knows full well what the rules are.

Willingly providing terrible people a platform with which to conduct themselves in that manner really doesn't make you that much better than them, but that's just my personal opinion, and one that tons of people surely don't agree with. At any rate, this isn't Twitter. It's a website based around a damn game with a couple thousand unique, active users per day tops. Surely there should be a bit less leniency, yes? I've personally banned people for far less, and lucid's certainly banned and deleted accounts for even less than myself.

JeffreyAaron

almost 9 years

Just because a moderation team was slow to give a vio and he managed to make multiple harassment threads and attacks in that time span doesn't mean we just lump it all up and call it one violation and that's all. He very clearly went past Harassment 1 here.

Edark

almost 9 years

Devante says

Rutab says

Why was Devante right to do that lmfao

edit: not talking about anything you're arguing here, besides the fact that Devante wasnt right to do that

I did it fairly often with obvious get accounts

Reason being if someone spends 5 games speaking w completely different language on an English speaking website then that's 5 ISPs vios.

Instead of going through and waiting for them to rack up 5 vios I give them one, a former arming to cease and desist & if they don't they get banned

I was allowed to do that because it makes sense

As I understand it it was a random acc who only had 1 game played, which at that time would not make it OK IMO. If they had like 2-3 games with just speaking japanese then it wouldnt be a problem with threatning a ban like that.

Edark

almost 9 years

ScubaSteve says

Oh for crying out loud, Edark.

Now listen I just wanna point out that he did infact get a violation.

JeffreyAaron

almost 9 years

Letting people stay on the site who are clearly harassing others because of a small technicality. Yikes.

Devante

almost 9 years

Rutab says

Why was Devante right to do that lmfao

edit: not talking about anything you're arguing here, besides the fact that Devante wasnt right to do that

I did it fairly often with obvious get accounts

Reason being if someone spends 5 games speaking w completely different language on an English speaking website then that's 5 ISPs vios.

Instead of going through and waiting for them to rack up 5 vios I give them one, a former arming to cease and desist & if they don't they get banned

I was allowed to do that because it makes sense

deletedalmost 9 years

Oh for crying out loud, Edark.

Devante

almost 9 years

I always miss the fun

VS9102

almost 9 years

this thread is the last bastion of professionalism the epic mafia dot com mod team has

haha jk this site has been going downhill for years. strict adherence to the rules is helpful for those who don't know what they're doing wrong, but for those who intend to do nothing but offend others, what does it accomplish? it just gives them more chances to do what they do best

Edark

almost 9 years

Also cmon does no one get my futurama reference?? smh

Edark

almost 9 years

harodihg says

You're the admin and can do what you see fit. Stop worrying about slippery slope fallacies because they're just that: fallacies. What he did wasn't okay at all, ban him for a bit.

He already got banned 48 hours and he got a proper violation.

deletedalmost 9 years

dazeldafreak says

Dyl says

Just thought of a pretty good trade. Ban Thecolonel and Becomeclear, and unban me and abc

On 04/09/2016, at 11:42, Daze wrote:
> now if we compared dyl to abc

On 04/09/2016, at 11:42, Daze wrote:
> i know which id rather was banned

as of right now, neither tbh

Rutab

almost 9 years

harodihg says

You're the admin and can do what you see fit. Stop worrying about slippery slope fallacies because they're just that: fallacies. What he did wasn't okay at all, ban him for a bit.

Slippery slope would be more relevant for "do what you see fit" imo.

deletedalmost 9 years

You're the admin and can do what you see fit. Stop worrying about slippery slope fallacies because they're just that: fallacies. What he did wasn't okay at all, ban him for a bit.

dazeldafreak

almost 9 years

Dyl says

Just thought of a pretty good trade. Ban Thecolonel and Becomeclear, and unban me and abc

On 04/09/2016, at 11:42, Daze wrote:
> now if we compared dyl to abc

On 04/09/2016, at 11:42, Daze wrote:
> i know which id rather was banned

Rutab

almost 9 years

Edark can u tell Soluciones in the other HC thread that I am right pls

Edark

almost 9 years

me IRL

deletedalmost 9 years

hi, Ian should be banned for a bit. I'm still in bed but once I wake up I'll see to properly responding to a few people on skype