Back to Complaints

Try Again

deletedalmost 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/194216

This is the most clear cut not to mention disgusting HC I've ever seen on the site and you just no vio'd it. This is unrelated to the harassment violation I didn't even request be given, which was given for an entirely different thread. The fact that I initially banned thecolonel for this (which is still what should happen, but I digress) is completely irrelevant. It's disgusting that you think the only appropriate violation for this entire affair is a single warning and that he shouldn't even be marked down for hateful comments.

Edit: I appreciate people backing me up on this but I've made my point clearly and the mod team as a whole apparently disagrees. It's regrettable this kind of hate speech isn't dealt with more severely. However, there's no point in bickering further if the mods feel rule technicalities trumps all.

Devante
almost 9 years

Retti says


Devante says

like if they were tryna argue two harassment vios for the two threads they'd obviously be wrong, but a hateful comment violation and a harassment vio are completely reasonable


furthermore: a site ban is unreasonable


honestly, if the mods or admin had a justified reason to ban someone i wouldn't fight it, and i don't think the community should either. laexio outright banned people with no established precedent literally all the time and nobody bat an eyelash


yeah it depends on the site meta at the time, the history of the admin ect
JeffreyAaron
almost 9 years

Devante says


JeffreyAaron says

"In the past the precedent was set that we won't give someone two vios for breaking two rules, but rather just one and a slap on the wrist for the other, therefore we will continue to follow this terrible precedent."

Or, better option:

"A user is harassing other users and using hateful comments, in the past this would be one violation, but we as a mod team believe that this was a bad precedent and we want to stop this kind of behavior so we will now punish both rules being broken rather than one."

Is this really that difficult?


stop with the red text dude it's bad on the eyes and makes ppl like myself just skip ur posts


baited into an EM RT. ; )
deletedalmost 9 years
well you've made your case then

i again would not cry if he got banned because he's just a bad troll, but apparently i have taken your side in this moral uphill battle
Edark
almost 9 years

Retti says

edark i think you should do what you think is right cause you're the admin, and then just be done with it

that's not me arguing for either side, i think colonel is an a$$ and i wouldnt cry if anything happened either way, i just think you're gonna end up like Jasper did trying too hard to appeal with a ""community"" literally never happy lmao


Im just here arguing my point, I think if you cant defend your own opinion then you dont have an opinion worth defending.

Considering the community contains many different individuals every case thats is hard to judge will make a few happy and the rest unhappy. In the end I just gotta do what I think is right.
deletedalmost 9 years

Edark says

Scubasteve do you want me to outright ban thecolonel?


Based on user history and the apparent unwillingness to find any semblance of self-control when it comes to attacking people, I absolutely would and I wouldn't think twice about it.

If they were a new user who did it once, got forum suspended for it, and made a conscious effort to either avoid the topic of conversation or just stopped being an as.shole about it, then the couple violations and a 48 hour forum break would be more than sufficient. Alas, the latter's not the case here.
deletedalmost 9 years

Devante says

like if they were tryna argue two harassment vios for the two threads they'd obviously be wrong, but a hateful comment violation and a harassment vio are completely reasonable


furthermore: a site ban is unreasonable


honestly, if the mods or admin had a justified reason to ban someone i wouldn't fight it, and i don't think the community should either. laexio outright banned people with no established precedent literally all the time and nobody bat an eyelash
Devante
almost 9 years

JeffreyAaron says

"In the past the precedent was set that we won't give someone two vios for breaking two rules, but rather just one and a slap on the wrist for the other, therefore we will continue to follow this terrible precedent."

Or, better option:

"A user is harassing other users and using hateful comments, in the past this would be one violation, but we as a mod team believe that this was a bad precedent and we want to stop this kind of behavior so we will now punish both rules being broken rather than one."

Is this really that difficult?


stop with the red text dude it's bad on the eyes and makes ppl like myself just skip ur posts
Hunt
almost 9 years
Now I know thecolonel isn't mist.
VS9102
almost 9 years

Retti says

edark i think you should do what you think is right cause you're the admin, and then just be done with it

that's not me arguing for either side, i think colonel is an a$$ and i wouldnt cry if anything happened either way, i just think you're gonna end up like Jasper did trying too hard to appeal with a ""community"" literally never happy lmao


"edark is right because hes the admin and he shouldn't care that the community takes issue with his actions"
JeffreyAaron
almost 9 years
Current completely f**ked up admin opinion: "In the past the precedent was set that we won't give someone two vios for breaking two rules, but rather just one and a slap on the wrist for the other, therefore we will continue to follow this terrible precedent."

Or, better option:

"A user is harassing other users and using hateful comments, in the past this would be one violation, but we as a mod team believe that this was a bad precedent and we want to stop this kind of behavior so we will now punish both rules being broken rather than one."

Is this really that difficult?
Devante
almost 9 years
like if they were tryna argue two harassment vios for the two threads they'd obviously be wrong, but a hateful comment violation and a harassment vio are completely reasonable


furthermore: a site ban is unreasonable
Devante
almost 9 years

Retti says

let's say that edark goes against his word and gives him the two vios, for each person you just made happy youve made two more upset, in which another thread would probably arise about the overturning of the original verdict.

you basically can't win


okay but there's no been a precedent;outside of game related vios that doesn't allow mods to give two different community vios for multiple threads in a short period of time
deletedalmost 9 years
edark i think you should do what you think is right cause you're the admin, and then just be done with it

that's not me arguing for either side, i think colonel is an a$$ and i wouldnt cry if anything happened either way, i just think you're gonna end up like Jasper did trying too hard to appeal with a ""community"" literally never happy lmao
deletedalmost 9 years
thecolonel doesn't even do anything except sh!tpost, what difference does it make if he's here or not

he's not funny either and he's bad at mafia
Edark
almost 9 years
Scubasteve do you want me to outright ban thecolonel?
deletedalmost 9 years
let's say that edark goes against his word and gives him the two vios, for each person you just made happy youve made two more upset, in which another thread would probably arise about the overturning of the original verdict.

you basically can't win
VS9102
almost 9 years

Edark says

Im very surprised that no one other than me actually thinks its a very bad idea to allow 2 violations for the same action to occur.


edark, you've gotten a lot of backlash due to this and sure, you do have defenders, but the fact that this sparked such an outcry in either your defense or taking issue with your handling of the situation shows that something is wrong. compromise may be necessary, and i think not giving thecolonel HC but setting the precedent for the future that the two violations can be applied together might be what we're looking for.
JeffreyAaron
almost 9 years
“I really can’t comprehend why the community wants to give 2 vios to a guy who broke 2 rules."
deletedalmost 9 years

Retti says


ScubaSteve says

Indeed, it makes a bunch of sense Devante. Similarly to how it makes sense to just outright ban an account hellbent on launching personal attacks on people with no clear intention of stopping even after they've racked up a few suspensions and violations for it. It's actually quite easy to make a distinction between a player who doesn't know what they're doing, and a player like thecolonel who knows full well what the rules are.

Willingly providing terrible people a platform with which to conduct themselves in that manner really doesn't make you that much better than them, but that's just my personal opinion, and one that tons of people surely don't agree with. At any rate, this isn't Twitter. It's a website based around a damn game with a couple thousand unique, active users per day tops. Surely there should be a bit less leniency, yes? I've personally banned people for far less, and lucid's certainly banned and deleted accounts for even less than myself.


people are worried about the objectivity if such a standard was implemented, and that in itself is a site problem

what i mean by this is that i think most mods believe that people will say their ban is unjust because it doesnt follow a set of conduct, because we all know how hard mods bend to the communities will


Yeah but it doesn't really apply if it involves the admin. Like I said after this, the book is for the mods to strictly follow. The admin should, and does have, more room to work with and the ability to make judgment calls. I highly doubt that lucid, of all people, would take issue with Edark if thecolonel went and cried to him because he got a straight ban for being aggressive transphobic trash.
Devante
almost 9 years
like it's either

Ian
sonseray going through a midlife crisis
vilden (???)
or someone from 4chan/reddit who came on the site because of eris' article
deletedalmost 9 years

Edark says

Im also very surprised people want me to ban people/dish out vios in a subjective way rather than an objective way.


it's not too surprising. i think it'd be no issue if the userbase trusted the mods and didn't try to bludgeon them with their own words, but topics like this wouldn't exist if it wasn't the case lol
JeffreyAaron
almost 9 years

Edark says

Im very surprised that no one other than me actually thinks its a very bad idea to allow 2 violations for the same action to occur.


Because the entire community sees that what is more important here is stopping someone who is throwing hateful slurs at a minority group and another person. I'm very surprised that you honestly can't see that it makes sense to throw 2 vios on a person who broke two rules.
Devante
almost 9 years
who is thecolonel anyways? is it actually ian or what
Edark
almost 9 years
Im also very surprised people want me to ban people/dish out vios in a subjective way rather than an objective way.
JeffreyAaron
almost 9 years
If you're still scared of the communities reaction to a new (COMPLETELY LOGICAL) precedent after all the responses this thread has gotten, I think we just have to assume this guy is being protected for whatever stupid reason. Lame.