Epicmafia

Question RE: Ethereal

over 8 years

The question posed in this thread is not necessarily one of the moderation team, the site owner lucidrains/Phillip Wang, or other moderators/admins on the moderation team of this website.

People are calling for Ethereal's head because they were recently promoted from role moderator to moderator. The people calling for Ethereal to be demodded are generally viewing and accusing Ethereal as a predator.

My question is, if you guys care so much about Ethereal being a potential predator, should you not be arguing that Ethereal should be site banned? (Personally, I don't think Ethereal should be site banned. She has done her time for being banned and is currently a very big help for the moderators and cheating investigation team, in my opinion.) Your argument seems to not want to rid the website of possible predators, but to just make sure they don't become moderators. It doesn't really make much sense to me.

And even if Ethereal is demodded, guess what? She's still going to help with Cheating cases and finding banned users... nothing is going to change (except that she won't be able to do reports). Is that really going to be a sigh of relief for all of you?

So if Ethereal is demodded, what difference is it to you people if she's still allowed to be on the website...?

EDIT:

I am in favour of demodding Ethereal to please the community fwiw (I was before I even made this thread), but if we do that I don't really get why they are even allowed to be on the site anyways. I'm seeing these arguments I just don't agree with them; potential is potential at the end of the day, and I believe Ethereal should be allowed to stay on the site

Kerry

over 8 years

i think people should be considering whether they consider petri to be a predator when they're looking at her past

if yes: contact the authorities

deletedover 8 years

Kerry says

Explanation says

Kerry says

i understand why people are against this and i'm not going to argue with anyone. i'm just going to share why i'm ok with sammie modding.

for the length of the time i've known petri, they've never been a predator - and we've had a lot of in-depth conversations in the past

if you want my personal opinion i think she has truly reformed and has turned her attention to better things. a lot's changed in her life for the better. there's likely a lot you guys haven't seen or know about within her personal life.

i don't believe she'd abuse her power to target children and i believe the only reason she want's to mod is to make up for the harm she's caused in the past

if i had even a single doubt in my mind that she'd ever become a predator then i would contact the authorities with her address and name in a heartbeat. and believe me, if she gives me a single reason to doubt it at any point in time, i'll do it

i think you're friends with petri so there's obviously some element of bias. anyway even if petri is reformed it's a matter of preserving site integrity. having someone with petri's history to represent as a site mod is beyond ludicrous

well i did say i'm just stating my opinion on why i'm okay with her modding but understand why others are against

i know and i'm just saying why i'm not okay with her modding

leo

over 8 years

jack says

leo says

Coll23 says

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago

solace and cody haven't done anything about this bc solace wants cody to step up and cody is scared, according to bearguru. in case u were wondering

for ethe, she's probably just trying to ignore it.

cody blindly tried to defend it last night and got lambasted. it's wise for them to collect their thoughts tbh

did he? i imagine it was deleted, then...

deletedover 8 years

i was also there and petri was 100% serious. she kind of has to claim she was trolling now otherwise she would be risking not only being demodded but also being rebanned

jack

over 8 years

leo says

Coll23 says

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago

solace and cody haven't done anything about this bc solace wants cody to step up and cody is scared, according to bearguru. in case u were wondering

for ethe, she's probably just trying to ignore it.

cody blindly tried to defend it last night and got lambasted. it's wise for them to collect their thoughts tbh

Kerry

over 8 years

Explanation says

Kerry says

i understand why people are against this and i'm not going to argue with anyone. i'm just going to share why i'm ok with sammie modding.

for the length of the time i've known petri, they've never been a predator - and we've had a lot of in-depth conversations in the past

if you want my personal opinion i think she has truly reformed and has turned her attention to better things. a lot's changed in her life for the better. there's likely a lot you guys haven't seen or know about within her personal life.

i don't believe she'd abuse her power to target children and i believe the only reason she want's to mod is to make up for the harm she's caused in the past

if i had even a single doubt in my mind that she'd ever become a predator then i would contact the authorities with her address and name in a heartbeat. and believe me, if she gives me a single reason to doubt it at any point in time, i'll do it

i think you're friends with petri so there's obviously some element of bias. anyway even if petri is reformed it's a matter of preserving site integrity. having someone with petri's history to represent as a site mod is beyond ludicrous

well i did say i'm just stating my opinion on why i'm okay with her modding but understand why others are against

deletedover 8 years

I shall take Ethereal's mod position.

leo

over 8 years

Coll23 says

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago

solace and cody haven't done anything about this bc solace wants cody to step up and cody is scared, according to bearguru. in case u were wondering

for ethe, she's probably just trying to ignore it.

deletedover 8 years

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago.

Petri owes us an explanation.

deletedover 8 years

Kerry says

i understand why people are against this and i'm not going to argue with anyone. i'm just going to share why i'm ok with sammie modding.

for the length of the time i've known petri, they've never been a predator - and we've had a lot of in-depth conversations in the past

if you want my personal opinion i think she has truly reformed and has turned her attention to better things. a lot's changed in her life for the better. there's likely a lot you guys haven't seen or know about within her personal life.

i don't believe she'd abuse her power to target children and i believe the only reason she want's to mod is to make up for the harm she's caused in the past

if i had even a single doubt in my mind that she'd ever become a predator then i would contact the authorities with her address and name in a heartbeat. and believe me, if she gives me a single reason to doubt it at any point in time, i'll do it

This is the other person in best position to make judgment on whether or not Ethereal is a pedophile.

The key here is that Kerry never refutes that they are, only asserting that they would never act on it. Kerry confirmed my reading of this distinction is accurate.

Note that I'm in the same boat as Kerry re: them modding but more because I don't care who runs the website. However, I will not let Ethereal get away with claiming they were trolling.

deletedover 8 years

Kerry says

i understand why people are against this and i'm not going to argue with anyone. i'm just going to share why i'm ok with sammie modding.

for the length of the time i've known petri, they've never been a predator - and we've had a lot of in-depth conversations in the past

if you want my personal opinion i think she has truly reformed and has turned her attention to better things. a lot's changed in her life for the better. there's likely a lot you guys haven't seen or know about within her personal life.

i don't believe she'd abuse her power to target children and i believe the only reason she want's to mod is to make up for the harm she's caused in the past

if i had even a single doubt in my mind that she'd ever become a predator then i would contact the authorities with her address and name in a heartbeat. and believe me, if she gives me a single reason to doubt it at any point in time, i'll do it

i think you're friends with petri so there's obviously some element of bias. anyway even if petri is reformed it's a matter of preserving site integrity. having someone with petri's history to represent as a site mod is beyond ludicrous

Orion

over 8 years

Tsugumi says

leo says

people did. like empire.

just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I mean I don't care about the site and never complained about them modding, and still am not, but I'm not letting them get away with claiming they were trolling with their pedophilia claim.

anybody who believed that was trolling is legitimately a moron.

leo

over 8 years

Tsugumi says

leo says

people did. like empire.

just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I mean I don't care about the site and never complained about them modding, and still am not, but I'm not letting them get away with claiming they were trolling with their pedophilia claim.

fair enough. i meant more of the unbanning thing originally and then become a role mod.

deletedover 8 years

leo says

people did. like empire.

just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I mean I don't care about the site and never complained about them modding, and still am not, but I'm not letting them get away with claiming they were trolling with their pedophilia claim.

leo

over 8 years

Third4ug says

leo says

Third4ug says

And how long ago was this thread about eth made

when eth became a rolemod.

and when was that

when eth

became a rolemod

also when eth was even unbanned. they've been protesting for months, YOU just didn't pay attention.

Kerry

over 8 years

reformed as in acts of trolling/cheating etc
the majority of the site would agree sammie has reformed

sexual orientation =/= predator

deletedover 8 years

leo says

Third4ug says

And how long ago was this thread about eth made

when eth became a rolemod.

and when was that

Orion

over 8 years

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/pessimism-about-pedophilia

People that say they're reformed don't understand pedophilia..pedophiles don't change their tenancies and are much likelier to be compulsive liars. It's not like robbing a bank one time.
Pessimism about pedophilia

Harvard Mental Health Letter

There is no cure, so the focus is on protecting children.
Key points

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.

leo

over 8 years

Third4ug says

And how long ago was this thread about eth made

when eth became a rolemod.

Kerry

over 8 years

i'd also like to disclose my opinion =/= connors so don't loop us in together on this matter lol

deletedover 8 years

And how long ago was this thread about eth made

Kerry

over 8 years

i understand why people are against this and i'm not going to argue with anyone. i'm just going to share why i'm ok with sammie modding.

for the length of the time i've known petri, they've never been a predator - and we've had a lot of in-depth conversations in the past

if you want my personal opinion i think she has truly reformed and has turned her attention to better things. a lot's changed in her life for the better. there's likely a lot you guys haven't seen or know about within her personal life.

i don't believe she'd abuse her power to target children and i believe the only reason she want's to mod is to make up for the harm she's caused in the past

if i had even a single doubt in my mind that she'd ever become a predator then i would contact the authorities with her address and name in a heartbeat. and believe me, if she gives me a single reason to doubt it at any point in time, i'll do it

Orion

over 8 years

Third4ug says

nobody complained about eth being a role moderator but all of a sudden he/she gets a little more power and suddenly their supposed pedophilia is a huge issue to controlling and maintaining this website, makes sense

The people that knew did complain there was another thread where this was discussed but that thread was moved to private mod forums

leo

over 8 years

Third4ug says

nobody complained about eth being a role moderator but all of a sudden he/she gets a little more power and suddenly their supposed pedophilia is a huge issue to controlling and maintaining this website, makes sense

people did. like empire.

just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

deletedover 8 years

nobody complained about eth being a role moderator but all of a sudden he/she gets a little more power and suddenly their supposed pedophilia is a huge issue to controlling and maintaining this website, makes sense