Epicmafia

Question RE: Ethereal

over 8 years

The question posed in this thread is not necessarily one of the moderation team, the site owner lucidrains/Phillip Wang, or other moderators/admins on the moderation team of this website.

People are calling for Ethereal's head because they were recently promoted from role moderator to moderator. The people calling for Ethereal to be demodded are generally viewing and accusing Ethereal as a predator.

My question is, if you guys care so much about Ethereal being a potential predator, should you not be arguing that Ethereal should be site banned? (Personally, I don't think Ethereal should be site banned. She has done her time for being banned and is currently a very big help for the moderators and cheating investigation team, in my opinion.) Your argument seems to not want to rid the website of possible predators, but to just make sure they don't become moderators. It doesn't really make much sense to me.

And even if Ethereal is demodded, guess what? She's still going to help with Cheating cases and finding banned users... nothing is going to change (except that she won't be able to do reports). Is that really going to be a sigh of relief for all of you?

So if Ethereal is demodded, what difference is it to you people if she's still allowed to be on the website...?

EDIT:

I am in favour of demodding Ethereal to please the community fwiw (I was before I even made this thread), but if we do that I don't really get why they are even allowed to be on the site anyways. I'm seeing these arguments I just don't agree with them; potential is potential at the end of the day, and I believe Ethereal should be allowed to stay on the site

deletedover 8 years

Personally my favorite part is Ethereal's refusal to come directly say that me/Kerry are both lying, because they can't do it.

deletedover 8 years

Golden says

it was like 2 months ago of this year ThirdAug why are you even here if youre asking dumb questions of things that are common knowledge

clearly you don't know what common knowledge is

Kerry

over 8 years

i'm vehemently against arcbell being modded because it was only in april he threatened to do something to connor to get ian unbanned and afterwards revealed he was going to hijack the em userbase for his new site

but i feel a little biased because he broke a promise w/ coni-chan :(

Orion

over 8 years

jack says

Third4ug says

listen i understand both sides of this, but honestly, i care more about someone who's willing to make the community a smarter and better place by removing toxic, annoying, and trash players. that's just me

as i said in the other thread, i refuse to believe that there were no better (or perhaps, safer) options for doing said job than sammie and arcbell

I've applied to be a mod 3x over different admins in this past year but nobody knows me because I don't circlejerk competitive.............

There can be those people and they don't have to be pedophiles, cheaters, and hackers.

jack

over 8 years

Third4ug says

listen i understand both sides of this, but honestly, i care more about someone who's willing to make the community a smarter and better place by removing toxic, annoying, and trash players. that's just me

as i said in the other thread, i refuse to believe that there were no better (or perhaps, safer) options for doing said job than sammie and arcbell

deletedover 8 years

oh man can't cover it on one post

"As well as the times he cheated whilst being unbanned, he cheated numerous times whilst being banned:

- Multiple cheating for his account biyannick
- Cheating on accounts and catching himself one example I remeber is NaughtyNooNoo
https://epicmafia.com/topic/26275
- Cheating on numerous alts with abc to get abcdefg21lololololol on the HoF win%
- Cheating on numerous alts with abc again to get Crash on HoF win%
- Cheating with Weareking (name changed to giga96) round 94 gold
- Cheating with Brakes/Plato round 96 bronze
- Cheating with Brakes (Duke) again round 99 gold
- Cheating with Weareking round 100 gold
Cheating with Prevail round 104 caused round to be reset https://epicmafia.com/topic/57180
- Cheating with Weareking round 114 silver"

deletedover 8 years

listen i understand both sides of this, but honestly, i care more about someone who's willing to make the community a smarter and better place by removing toxic, annoying, and trash players. that's just me

jack

over 8 years

Kerry says

if you take it to lucid you'll be met with

only when this happened i realised how life destroying it could be when they're not a predator

you're completely right, but for some reason because it came from lucid i can't help but laugh

deletedover 8 years

taking a look at just a small portion of petri's history

"- He has posted a link to a directory where child P*** could be found.
- He had posted lolicon on the forums, I don't know whether the deleted user can be retrieved on this report to prove it was him https://epicmafia.com/report/34
- He caused chaos when he went onto a mod's account https://epicmafia.com/topic/45320
- Gamethrowing for SGR and against other runners during the vegetasmustache/gunsandroses when vegetas was revealed to be him

The list of times he was unbanned and rebanned every single time for cheating:

1) https://epicmafia.com/topic/15221

2) https://epicmafia.com/topic/23320

3) After the mass unban - Cheating round 55, there's no thread on it due to the mods not having caught him at the time hence how he got away with winning silver but here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/xfScV8UF and Kerry later admitted she cheated with him

4) He wasn't banned for the cheating during round 55 since he wasn't caught but subsequently got banned for cheating in training games http://pastebin.com/SYdGDz9x the "gelbooru" incident.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/23366 This thread suggests I missed another incident where he was unbanned and rebanned again for cheating.

leo

over 8 years

Gerry says

Also, I just woke up and I'm not reading 4 threads with like 100+ pages of comments so if that was answered already lemme kno

it was

Orion

over 8 years

@Gerry the older users that had more knowledge of it aren't as active anymore and the newer users didn't know.

deletedover 8 years

Gerry says

I understand the frustration of some, but I don't understand the sudden uproar when they were site modded. Why not begin this when they were just a regular user on the site? If not then, why not start this when they became a role mod and was on Main Lobby?

I've addressed this 10+ times both in this thread and in BearGuru's but we both know you can't read to save your life.

Edit: I apologize you acknowledged in your last post the possibility that it had been, that's a step in the right direction from before so sorry for that unnecessary shot.

Gerry

over 8 years

Also, I just woke up and I'm not reading 4 threads with like 100+ pages of comments so if that was answered already lemme kno

deletedover 8 years

Gerry says

I understand the frustration of some, but I don't understand the sudden uproar when they were site modded. Why not begin this when they were just a regular user on the site? If not then, why not start this when they became a role mod and was on Main Lobby?

Another person not paying attention

Kerry

over 8 years

if you take it to lucid you'll be met with

only when this happened i realised how life destroying it could be when they're not a predator

Orion

over 8 years

it was like 2 months ago of this year ThirdAug why are you even here if youre asking dumb questions of things that are common knowledge

jack

over 8 years

Gerry says

I understand the frustration of some, but I don't understand the sudden uproar when they were site modded. Why not begin this when they were just a regular user on the site? If not then, why not start this when they became a role mod and was on Main Lobby?

there was... sachy where u at

Gerry

over 8 years

I understand the frustration of some, but I don't understand the sudden uproar when they were site modded. Why not begin this when they were just a regular user on the site? If not then, why not start this when they became a role mod and was on Main Lobby?

deletedover 8 years

Oh there's a lot more than that, Kerry had others that were much more private/serious/obviously not joking, I'm tempted to fly back and get my hard drive from my old laptop.

leo

over 8 years

jack says

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Coll23 says

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago

solace and cody haven't done anything about this bc solace wants cody to step up and cody is scared, according to bearguru. in case u were wondering

for ethe, she's probably just trying to ignore it.

cody blindly tried to defend it last night and got lambasted. it's wise for them to collect their thoughts tbh

did he? i imagine it was deleted, then...

it's probably somewhere in the middle of the 100 page thread

mm. i might try to search later, then. thanks for mentioning this!

leo

over 8 years

what part of months do you not--

look, im not going to waste my time with someone who's just going to go 'well i wasn't here that time' when you just want to derail on your defending of a pedophile.

jack

over 8 years

leo says

jack says

leo says

Coll23 says

Ethereal was modding a report thirty five minutes ago

solace and cody haven't done anything about this bc solace wants cody to step up and cody is scared, according to bearguru. in case u were wondering

for ethe, she's probably just trying to ignore it.

cody blindly tried to defend it last night and got lambasted. it's wise for them to collect their thoughts tbh

did he? i imagine it was deleted, then...

it's probably somewhere in the middle of the 100 page thread

Orion

over 8 years

http://pastebin.com/3iUP5ftV

Found the pastebin

idk imo you shouldn't defend or associate with pedophiles it shouldn't ever be endorsed as a thing that's ok OR allow them to be in positions where they might act out esppp in positions of power but I understand why some ppl stop caring, caring doesnt really get you anywhere on this site anyways.

deletedover 8 years

Let me try asking you again leo because clearly you have a semi-functioning brain. Approximately what month and year did Eth become a role mod

deletedover 8 years

Like, do I get why Ethereal is lying? Yes.

At the time they enjoyed they wanted attention even if it was negative, and didn't care if they were lambasted for it.

Things are different, they want a clean image, it's not her fault she has these tendencies, of course you're going to claim that you were lying.

Just because it is natural to want to lie about it does not mean you should let them, however.