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Anyone who isn't a closed minded Neanderthal have an argument to make?

Complete idiots list:

Belovedprincess

Lilin

about 9 years
The fun with paradoxes are that there are almost never right sollutions. In the abovementioned, try to find a way for achilles to pass the tortoise, lol.
about 9 years
This is exactly like the paradox with Achilles:

In the paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 meters, for example. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (one very fast and one very slow), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 meters, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, say, 10 meters. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, by which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles reaches somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has farther to go. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been, he can never overtake the tortoise
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why would you call me a moron for solving what you told me, and not solving what you didn't show me
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The problem is unsolvable, so you don't solve it. What you're doing right now is flopping around like a pseudo intellectual fish
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http://www-math.mit.edu/~tchow/unexpected.pdf

Here you go, Lilin. Solve this PARADOX right now in this here epicmafia thread and you'll be speaking at Harvard tomorrow. Fuking moron.
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how am i supposed to solve a problem you aren't telling me?
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he is sentenced on sunday, he has the whole week to suspect days, and by the time is was thursday it would already be too late because he was hanged on weds
about 9 years
So by that logic, he could not be hanged, because he would expect when to be hanged, so he can't be hanged on a day he does not expect.
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WHAT ARE THE RULES THEN?
about 9 years
LiLin. If he was Alive on Thursday, he would expect to be hanged on Friday, so he could exclude Friday. With Friday excluded, he could be hanged on Thursday, but if he is alive Wednesday, he would expect to be hanged Thursdat and so on.
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Yeah I didn't type it write because I'm not a PHD holding philosopher, but the problem you are "solving" is not the same problem. He is supposed to be able to exclude Friday automatically as according to the rules
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The rules are: A man is sentenced by a Judge on Sunday, and told that he would be hung during the next business week, but the day would be on a day he wouldn't expect.

There is nothing in the rules that says it won't happen on Friday

"He realized that he could not be hung on Friday"

This is something he thought not something that he was told
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lilin says


Grim says

lilin47s!
it's not a paradox, if he was told something, it does not make it the truth, if he chose to believe it was the truth, every single day would be suspected leading that they would all be a day he could be hanged because it wouldn't suspect a day he suspected

This is downright stupid and shows a gross misunderstanding of not only this paradox but the very concept of what a paradox is.


it's not a paradox, there just is an equally amount of chance on any business day

he would only be able to exclude friday if it was thursday

and if he was hanged on weds, he would never be able to exclude anything

the only time he would be able to exclude anything is a passing day


You're literally stupid. He is able to exclude Friday on Monday, because this is an established rule of the problem. You're basically saying "Well, this would be wrong if it were a different problem!"
about 9 years
The man was Hanged anyway, with or without paradox.

He should have told that to the jury that they cant hang him cos of the paradox xD
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Grim says

lilin47s!
it's not a paradox, if he was told something, it does not make it the truth, if he chose to believe it was the truth, every single day would be suspected leading that they would all be a day he could be hanged because it wouldn't suspect a day he suspected

This is downright stupid and shows a gross misunderstanding of not only this paradox but the very concept of what a paradox is.


it's not a paradox, there just is an equally amount of chance on any business day

he would only be able to exclude friday if it was thursday

and if he was hanged on weds, he would never be able to exclude anything

the only time he would be able to exclude anything is a passing day
about 9 years
Predictions VS Calculations. The truth is , do , what you always do. Pick A or Pick B. But do it from the heart and believe in your choice.
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lilin2s
he would only be able to exclude friday if it was thursday

and if he was hanged on weds, he would never be able to exclude anything


No, the rules of the game are set from the beginning. Friday IS excluded automatically, by virtue of the parameters of the paradox. Thursday IS excluded by virtue of the parameters, and so on. The man is absolutely 100% correct. He solves the problem, but solving the problem renders it unsolvable. Trying to solve it shows a gross misunderstanding of it. A paradox plays by the rules established.
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xxerox says

"The maddening conflict between free will and godlike prediction has not led to any resolution of Newcomb’s paradox, and people will call themselves “one-boxers” or “two-boxers” depending on where they side."


So, look at what i found.

TDT has some very definite advice on Newcomb’s paradox: Take Box B. But TDT goes a bit further. Even if the alien jeers at you, saying, “The computer said you’d take both boxes, so I left Box B empty! Nyah nyah!” and then opens Box B and shows you that it’s empty, you should still only take Box B and get bupkis. (I’ve adopted this example from Gary Drescher’s Good and Real, which uses a variant on TDT to try to show that Kantian ethics is true.) The rationale for this eludes easy summary, but the simplest argument is that you might be in the computer’s simulation. In order to make its prediction, the computer would have to simulate the universe itself. That includes simulating you. So you, right this moment, might be in the computer’s simulation, and what you do will impact what happens in reality (or other realities). So take Box B and the real you will get a cool million.


This is a reasonable solution, but so are all of the mathematical proofs in favor of taking both boxes.
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he would only be able to exclude friday if it was thursday

and if he was hanged on weds, he would never be able to exclude anything
about 9 years
@ OP: no
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lilin47s!
it's not a paradox, if he was told something, it does not make it the truth, if he chose to believe it was the truth, every single day would be suspected leading that they would all be a day he could be hanged because it wouldn't suspect a day he suspected

This is downright stupid and shows a gross misunderstanding of not only this paradox but the very concept of what a paradox is.
about 9 years
So basically the theory goes like that: Always pick B
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belovedprincess says

actually i got that one right too. the answer is in fact that forecasted expectation =/= actual expectation. on monday he doesn't know worth a damn if he'll be executed friday. it's only on thursday he can actually exclude friday.


He knows that the day can't possibly be Friday because it is the last possible day. Hypothetically, if he made it to Friday he would live, because it is not possible for him to be killed on Friday as according to the parameters of the paradox. Once you realize this, the same applies to Thursday. And so forth. The man is absolutely correct, but in solving the problem he ensures that it remains unsolvable. Paradox.
about 9 years
"The maddening conflict between free will and godlike prediction has not led to any resolution of Newcomb’s paradox, and people will call themselves “one-boxers” or “two-boxers” depending on where they side."


So, look at what i found.

TDT has some very definite advice on Newcomb’s paradox: Take Box B. But TDT goes a bit further. Even if the alien jeers at you, saying, “The computer said you’d take both boxes, so I left Box B empty! Nyah nyah!” and then opens Box B and shows you that it’s empty, you should still only take Box B and get bupkis. (I’ve adopted this example from Gary Drescher’s Good and Real, which uses a variant on TDT to try to show that Kantian ethics is true.) The rationale for this eludes easy summary, but the simplest argument is that you might be in the computer’s simulation. In order to make its prediction, the computer would have to simulate the universe itself. That includes simulating you. So you, right this moment, might be in the computer’s simulation, and what you do will impact what happens in reality (or other realities). So take Box B and the real you will get a cool million.
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it's not a paradox, if he was told something, it does not make it the truth, if he chose to believe it was the truth, every single day would be suspected leading that they would all be a day he could be hanged because it wouldn't suspect a day he suspected