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Newcomb's Paradox

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Anyone who isn't a closed minded Neanderthal have an argument to make?

Complete idiots list:

Belovedprincess

Lilin

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belovedprincess says


belovedprincess says


Monk says

Like, no sh!t, in the story he gets executed and he doesn't expect it, so there is some problem with the reasoning right? But that problem is the dammn paradox, not a simple oversight on the part of the hanging dude that you are instantly identifying.


no, it really is an oversight bro. he didn't expect it, he got killed. conditions satisfied. he couldn't have expected it on any single day over any other to begin with. only on the thursday, were he alive, could he finally rule out the friday. on thursday the problem broke and the expectation of dying within the week and the expectation of not knowing the day would have cancelled each other out



belovedprincess says

the trick of the problem is that u guys are imbuing a dead man with the power to expect things


bump because this is blatantly correct and sonse's existence in this thread is basically crying 'ha-ha! u believe things these smart guys don't believe!'

ur trolling urself, sonse


Sirius, you'd fail philosophy 101 for incompetence
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belovedprincess says


Monk says

Like, no sh!t, in the story he gets executed and he doesn't expect it, so there is some problem with the reasoning right? But that problem is the dammn paradox, not a simple oversight on the part of the hanging dude that you are instantly identifying.


no, it really is an oversight bro. he didn't expect it, he got killed. conditions satisfied. he couldn't have expected it on any single day over any other to begin with. only on the thursday, were he alive, could he finally rule out the friday. on thursday the problem broke and the expectation of dying within the week and the expectation of not knowing the day would have cancelled each other out



belovedprincess says

the trick of the problem is that u guys are imbuing a dead man with the power to expect things


bump because this is blatantly correct and sonse's existence in this thread is basically crying 'ha-ha! u believe things these smart guys don't believe!'

ur trolling urself, sonse
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I'm not a philosophy major but the myth that your major matters being persistent in 2015 is really something
Monk
about 9 years
"Theory of the first" only works if timelines branch. If time is just one timeline, then since the "original" timeline is overwritten, but is never saved, the "new" cause is the true original cause after it happens from the future. Confused? Yes, it makes no sense and timetravel is truly nonsensical, that is probably why.
xxerox
about 9 years

TheeCake says



Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been, he can never overtake the tortoise


This is wrong. It implies that it takes an infinite amount of time to traverse an infinite amount of points, but it doesn't.


Are you saying the points are finity ?
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having a major in philosophy is like having a toilet paper diploma
TheeCake
about 9 years


Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been, he can never overtake the tortoise


This is wrong. It implies that it takes an infinite amount of time to traverse an infinite amount of points, but it doesn't.
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Strider says

both decisions are rational, unless you're intending on roping in a bunch of unsuspecting forum posters to see them butt heads, then go ahead i guess


Are you proud of me Connor
Monk
about 9 years

lilin says

but did you solve it?

you asked for "arguments" and i just said what was on my mind

it's like intentionally putting out cookies laced with poison and saying "HAHA YOU FEEL FOR MY TRAP! A REAL INTELLECTUAL LIKE ME WOULD NEVER EAT A COOKIE, MY .pdf FILE TELLS ME THAT EXPERTS SAY NOT TO EAT COOKIES THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!"


lol
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it's like intentionally putting out cookies laced with poison and saying "HAHA YOU FEEL FOR MY TRAP! A REAL INTELLECTUAL LIKE ME WOULD NEVER EAT A COOKIE, MY .pdf FILE TELLS ME THAT EXPERTS SAY NOT TO EAT COOKIES THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!"

This is the smartest thing you've said. Baiting people like you was the exact point of this thread :)
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Guys I'm Lilin and I think I know about paradoxes better than countless decades of the work of PHD holding philosophers and mathematicians. I've never written a research paper and I'm uneducated
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but did you solve it?

you asked for "arguments" and i just said what was on my mind

it's like intentionally putting out cookies laced with poison and saying "HAHA YOU FEEL FOR MY TRAP! A REAL INTELLECTUAL LIKE ME WOULD NEVER EAT A COOKIE, MY .pdf FILE TELLS ME THAT EXPERTS SAY NOT TO EAT COOKIES THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!"
xxerox
about 9 years
Basically for the theory of the first:


It destroys the plot of hundreds and hundreds of stupid time - travel movies and episodes.
xxerox
about 9 years

TheeCake says


xxerox says

TheeCake@ I dont think you even know what you are trying to explain. We are not talking only about 1 side of the coin.

The coin has 2 sides: Atilles and Turtle.




Achilles needs to catch up to the turtle an infinite amount of times. He can do this easily in a finite amount of time. I'm not sure what your objection is.


I dont know myself anymore.. i am starting to get confuzed in a bad way.
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the trick of the problem is that u guys are imbuing a dead man with the power to expect things
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lilin says

"You're moronic for thinking this, yet I do not have a reasoning to what I think, I let others who are more "professional" do it for me."

bravo


Yeah, I don't think you solved a timeless paradox that people with 150 IQs can't solve when you lost to me at chess. Definitely not, you're stupid.
xxerox
about 9 years
For a continious time travel paradox to occur there always must be a starting point.

So i call it The Theory of the First.

Something had to happen naturaly without time-travel so that it can be replaced by time travel any point in the future, creating a new timeline that can create infinity amounts of timelines.
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Monk says

Like, no sh!t, in the story he gets executed and he doesn't expect it, so there is some problem with the reasoning right? But that problem is the dammn paradox, not a simple oversight on the part of the hanging dude that you are instantly identifying.


no, it really is an oversight bro. he didn't expect it, he got killed. conditions satisfied. he couldn't have expected it on any single day over any other to begin with. only on the thursday, were he alive, could he finally rule out the friday. on thursday the problem broke and the expectation of dying within the week and the expectation of not knowing the day would have cancelled each other out
Monk
about 9 years
also good thread imo
Monk
about 9 years

xxerox says

I can explain the sollution for The Bootstrap Paradox, that i come up with. Probably lot of ppls fount it already. Its quiet easy.


go ahead dawg
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I'd really like to spend a day as someone who thinks they can solve a paradox on a forum for "Mafia, the classic party game as well as over 100 other mini games"

It must really be something
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"You're moronic for thinking this, yet I do not have a reasoning to what I think, I let others who are more "professional" do it for me."

bravo
TheeCake
about 9 years

xxerox says

TheeCake@ I dont think you even know what you are trying to explain. We are not talking only about 1 side of the coin.

The coin has 2 sides: Atilles and Turtle.




Achilles needs to catch up to the turtle an infinite amount of times. He can do this easily in a finite amount of time. I'm not sure what your objection is.
Monk
about 9 years
belovedprincess, do you at least understand why, through the hanging man's reasoning, he cannot possibly be surprised and hung on any day?
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lilin says


Grim says

Sirius you'd get laughed out of Philosophy 101 if you really can't understand this


give us your thesis, smarty pants :^)


http://www-math.mit.edu/~tchow/unexpected.pdf

I'm not a window licking moron so I don't try to solve unsolvable things. I defer to the experts, who have proven innumerable times that it cannot be solved