Since the New Roles thread has become overwhelmed with self-advertising, I think a poll would encourage more discussion. I'm using a list I was given for the options in the poll, so sorry in advance if your role isn't on there.
Which role idea is your favorite? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=r6U0AUwU
Speaking about visit, what kind of visit does ghoul have ? (The redirect killing one, not the self visit). Tracker and watcher doesn't catch the ghoul, and loudmouth doesn't catch it like ninja, and the visit can't be driven. I think it is not a visit, but ghoul can be thlued if they ghoul kill thlued :@
yeah I meant mistletoe actually, can't fall in love with oneself (nice message there lucid)
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@papajacky you can choose the same person but that person won't be in chef meeting, so s/he won't be roleblocked. just tested...
also, chefs have group meetings? I played a game with the whole town being chef and i could see the names of the cheffs (https://epicmafia.com/game/4319837)
lucid has no system in place to prevent same voting during two open and i can't see him adding one any time soon. he would have to add a feature to verify votes before you make them based on other meetings if any, which needs to be applied to existing roles as well but has never been made so i dont see it happening
additionally this would rule out saving protective roles as protective roles, although that could be a good thing since it's a bit too much
monkey should not roleblock an action it cannot perform
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imo it's not as overpowered as you're making it out to be. a really easy fix to that problem is to not let Monkey See and Monkey Do be the same target.
either way exempting kills from monkey imitation is definitely an option. would they still be able to roleblock kills?
imitating a mafia kill, even if that mafia is vanilla, would be gamebreaking in real setups (the only place you even have vanilla mafia in the first place). mafia gets town lynched on mylo, effectively won the game while at the same time revealing themselves to be mafia. there's monkey. game unwinnable; how would you possibly get town lynched on mylo and not expose yourself as mafia at the same time?
monkey being able to control mafia's kill EVER is overpowered.
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Yo. Foxie. Read over everything I've been saying. I'm not disagreeing with you.
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I feel like we're not actually arguing anything here and we actually have the same damn point. Set a priority on the monkey imitate for roles with multiple actions, and have imitation trigger in the same way as roleblocking does or doesn't when hitting a potential collective
this can apply to drunk and similar roles, but it's simply impossible for monkey to imitate TWO actions with ONE meeting [2]
say you have a single visiting mafia. that mafia is witch. how are you going to imitate the kill AND the witch? you aren't, you have ONE target as monkey. it's simply nonsense.
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Which is literally exactly what I said; set a priority on which actions you imitate. I addressed this yo. They're essentially role meetings when they're a single member of what is otherwise a collective, and in those cases they can be roleblocked as normal so why not imitated as well?
mafia meeting is and should be a collective [10000]
when will people get what im trying to say
if you imitate a witch, you redirect their witch target, not their mafia vote. imitating their vote would be worthless unless they led the kill, but that's also a bad mechanic because the other mafia are still on the kill target. collective meetings (mason, cult, mafia, zombie) are not role meetings (witch, yak, etc.)
active actions are all visits with the exception of hidden visits (ninja, other roles that should visit but don't). it's apparent by the "monkey see" meeting that the action must be directed at someone, which you can't do if your action is self-caused (it has no target). even roles like oracle don't technically perform an action onto others; reveal isn't an action performed on someone directly.
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that's kind of reeeally limited, especially considering it roleblocks it makes the role largely pointless if it can only imitate town actions for the most part.
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so you cannot imitate most killing mafia or santa...?
monkey would also logically be unable to imitate a role that has multiple visits (such as driver). for most of these roles, you shouldn't exclude specific roles but rather specific mechanics. you cannot imitate a role that doesn't have exactly 1 visit: this will automatically exclude every non-visiting role and every multi-visiting role.
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it says action, not visits, so I wasn't making any assumptions. At any rate the only ones I listed that don't visit were the ones I said "Not sure if they count as having a night action but other roles that shouldn't have their night effects imitated"
