Epicmafia

Should hip-firing be GT?

over 9 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Yes

Satan

over 9 years

mist says

Satan says

its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??

and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST

thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself

mishammering isn't in your teams best interest.

same with being a bad mafia player so i guess im a serial gamethrower

deletedover 9 years

It becomes naseuating when nothing gets done but check later when this is moved to OT for the real fun

Hibiki

over 9 years

are people turned off by the dice term? should i be rephrasing it in order to seem less wrong or hung up?

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Satan says

its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??

and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST

thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself

mishammering isn't in your teams best interest.

vilden

over 9 years

this site can be so repelling and brutal from threads like this but i can't seem to look away

Orly

over 9 years

i remember the days when the forums were so hotheaded and smarmy that i dared not even post, lest crypto and his vagabond vifam tear me asunder with their furious circular jerks, with nbt actually masturbating from afar

deletedover 9 years

My posts are average and im OK with that

Satan

over 9 years

its game throwing, when (weird freakin' thought) someone thrOWS THE GAME BY SHOOTING. and how do you define throwing a game?

by playing against yr win condition??

and how do you play against yr win condition??

you DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN UR TEAMS BEST INTEREST

thank you have a good night.

special shout out to Mist, Patrick, and myself

Hibiki

over 9 years

bill, i'm not understanding how someone who shoots out the gate has plausible deniability. what justification for it is there other than "i was just yoloing" AKA rolling the dice

Orly

over 9 years

Patrick says

How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago

in the absence of quality shitposting, the forums have resorted to theoryposting

deletedover 9 years

i love knowing that retti the badposter is one drink away at any and all moments from turning into retti the best badposter

deletedover 9 years

Btw I agree with billstickers, it just gets gt when theres grudge implied but again lol

deletedover 9 years

Patrick says

How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago

don't mind me, i'm just trying to make a singular good post in this thread before it winds down because all of mine have been bad so far. no luck.

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How long can we argue about semantics because I thought I answered this 2 hours ago

Satan

over 9 years

mist says

Polo says

I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity.

why'd you have to add that parenthetical??? gdi you're so WRONG.

you tell em Mist!!!

deletedover 9 years

apparently when i post a detailed explanation of why hip firing isn't gamethrowing it's okay to ignore it entirely because "i dont think that's important"

Hibiki

over 9 years

Polo says

I guess I was more directly talking to other people about it, but more with the "it's not GT" argument. There didn't seem that much progress to make on the other arguments you had.

I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity. Especially, 'cause you think that increasing the suspension hours is too much.

It's not at all comparable to drunking the cop in an otherwise autowin scenario, or other GT actions, because it's random and "troll", not directly against the win condition.

I think what you brought up with Keri about whether not playing to your win condition counted as GT, but ISP'ing all game isnt' gamethrowing, and that's as neutral as it gets. I think GT requires something more than troll play/apathy, and there aren't really other relevant situations where someone plays not towards their win condition but not against it directly to worry about.

U sure called me out tho?

i honestly can't comprehend this post at all

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Slow says

anyway let's stop talking about gary since that makes this thread really weird, IMO

regardless of that entire situation i can always appreciate a good crank, and he nearly gave soda the best crank of all

deletedover 9 years

anyway let's stop talking about gary since that makes this thread really weird, IMO

deletedover 9 years

Slow says

i still don't know why mods let prevail get a trophy but not devante

don't blame me, i was the one responsible for making sure betmen couldn't finish 9th

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Polo says

I don't think hipfiring taking a player out of the game necessarily makes it more severe than trolling (this seems subjective, and not particularly worth arguing) or see how a separate vio would demonstrate this increased severity.

why'd you have to add that parenthetical??? gdi you're so WRONG.

Hibiki

over 9 years

Devante says

Orly says

Josh could have gotten a lot more people banned, as far as i know.

still waiting on those skype logs to be leaked.

i think shivv is the one who has them tbh cant wait for those leakz

the note implied someone IRL

deletedover 9 years

i still don't know why mods let prevail get a trophy but not devante

Orly

over 9 years

i liked sweeper more when he didn't know who i was

im thinking the feeling is mutual

Aesop

over 9 years

my favorite sweeper moment was when he taunted devante about not being able to run. after getting me a harassment vio that doesn't expire until september, i mean