Epicmafia

Should hip-firing be GT?

over 9 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Yes

Clair

over 9 years

Calvin says

what you're really looking for when giving a gamethrow violation at least is intent, connor. so when someone decides to hipfire and hope that they shoot mafia, the intent wouldn't be to want to lose the game, it'd be the exact same intent as wanting to win. It would however be disrupting gameplay through a specific action (shooting without reads) which is what trolling would be. hence why trolling is more of an appropriate violation for hip-firing than gamethrow.

there's a clause in the gamethrowing rule that actually implies desire to lose is not a direct requirement. "Intentionally playing against your win condition or not playing to win". it's there to cover stuff like grudge lynching (since it's not playing to lose, just not playing to win either)

however i've been thinking about it ever since zovea started making threads. yes, gamethrowing can be applied to people who just selfvote without scumhunting, or ISP the whole game and wait for the clear. because none of their actions have the direct purpose of aiding their win condition. and when they do nothing, there are no actions to have that purpose. technically, it all fits the violation.

and for the longest time, i considered hipfiring just one of those things. it's just a roll of the dice that can benefit you, but you have no way of knowing, so it can't be attributed to "playing to win". then again, that only makes sense when it's unlikely. at what point do objective gambles stop being okay? when the risk:reward ratio hits a certain level? it's not different to the reverse mafia situation i just described. you can't really draw that line.

deletedover 9 years

except it removes a player from the game~

VictoriaEldor

over 9 years

If there is no reason to use town resources, it is wasting a resource. It is essentially the same as a Doctor wasting a night action when they're safe to use it.

deletedover 9 years

Devante says

Glacial says

Anyways getting back on topic, shooting someone after you know their claim and you fos them no matter how fast it is isn't gamethrowing OR trolling. Shooting someone based on intuition or one bad post that they made is at most trolling. Shooting someone based on grudge is gamethrowing.

this post was filled with untruths

well damn too bad that's only your opinion.

deletedover 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/4045188 hipfire this

deletedover 9 years

Glacial says

Anyways getting back on topic, shooting someone after you know their claim and you fos them no matter how fast it is isn't gamethrowing OR trolling. Shooting someone based on intuition or one bad post that they made is at most trolling. Shooting someone based on grudge is gamethrowing.

this post was filled with untruths

deletedover 9 years

Anyways getting back on topic, shooting someone after you know their claim and you fos them no matter how fast it is isn't gamethrowing OR trolling. Shooting someone based on intuition or one bad post that they made is at most trolling. Shooting someone based on grudge is gamethrowing.

deletedover 9 years

mist says

justrec says

speaking of vios, i have one that says deleted. how does that work

rules got deleted and rewritten awhile back. the vio still applies.

where's your proof? Where's the proof *shoves your head into a toilet bowl* where's the proof

justrec

over 9 years

aight

Sonrio

over 9 years

get with the times justrec, thats like goatman old

justrec

over 9 years

thats pretty dumb

deletedover 9 years

N 1 of my violations on Silhouette is about to expire. IDK where my Doggie vios are but probably soon to expire as well.

deletedover 9 years

justrec says

speaking of vios, i have one that says deleted. how does that work

rules got deleted and rewritten awhile back. the vio still applies.

justrec

over 9 years

speaking of vios, i have one that says deleted. how does that work

deletedover 9 years

i don't know why anyone ever cares about getting violations, you actually have to try to get 8 vios these days

Sims

over 9 years

not getting game-related violations is the easiest thing ever

justrec

over 9 years

you have been trolling lately

deletedover 9 years

the vig is allowed to shoot n1, so no it's not reportable.
the sheriff is reportable if they shoot day 1 without any reads.

I don't care what the violation is for red hearts, I've already stated that. My argument is in competitive games if you hipfire you're game throwing peroid.

deletedover 9 years

1 friggin vio for hipfiring my 2 foses when i knew their claims and 1 friggin vio for acting like a complete noob in one game as scum and some butthurt loser reporting me because they lost. epicmafia irl

deletedover 9 years

I have 2 trolling vios.

deletedover 9 years

both sheriff and vig are allowed in ranked games, they're both reportable for gt violations, which is what is being discussed.

deletedover 9 years

Also if I get gunned in hollywood illusions as non-bleeder, I hipfire to avoid getting sacked with gun.

deletedover 9 years

Beam says

helsinki says

Beam says

Something called intuition exists and for me it's right more often than not.

you're one vio away from a site ban because you won't stop hip firing and you would have been banned if i hadn't realized that Josh gave you two violations on previously closed reports when he goat man bombed the site, but please keep insisting that your "intuition" is anything more than a way for you to squeeze more games of mafia out of your day

Last I checked I have 6 (possibly less) vios.

u prob have 3 trolling vios. 4= ban

deletedover 9 years

everyone in this thread is now a virgin

deletedover 9 years

also you guys are really trying to argue vig ( a role that is not in competitive mafia) and a pointfarm setup in this argmuent... holy crap this is amazing lol