Epicmafia

Should hip-firing be GT?

over 9 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Yes

Clair

over 9 years

Poll: Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Clair

over 9 years

that's not what hipfiring is. hipfiring is what zhuorb just linked. other people's misuse of hipfiring is not what's being discussed

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Zhuorb says

https://epicmafia.com/report/134081 it's not GT, but trolling

Thanks.

projectmatt

over 9 years

Connor says

no one said anything about shooting with a weak read being gamethrowing

In the past, games where somebody shoots quickly based on a weak read have been ruled as gamethrowing/trolling because "hipfiring" is equated to always rule breaking.

Zhuorb

over 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/134081 it's not GT, but trolling

Clair

over 9 years

no one said anything about shooting with a weak read being gamethrowing

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remember when people said :

I WANT TO LOSE THIS GAME SO IM GONNA HIPFIRE LOLZ XD!

projectmatt

over 9 years

You need to look at the intent. It has always been that way. If somebody wants to lose the game so they hipfire, it is gamethrowing. If somebody hipfires because they have a weak read and want to act upon it or they just get excited, it is not gamethrowing. Playing with a bad strategy is not gamethrowing. It should not be objectively one way or the other. Take every report case by case.

I've never gotten the "hipfiring = violation" rule from the moderators but there are bigger fish to fry.

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Every time someone argues that a hip fire has to be intentional game throwing I think they've temporarily forgotten that some people are just stupid

vilden

over 9 years

Connor says

my argument is

random (no read) shooting is an action that will affect your win condition in a way that is impossible to determine before doing it. therefore it can't be "playing to win" (aiming for mafia). whether that deserves to be the same as "throwing the game" is entirely up in the air for me, but under the current rules, it is.

I like this post for showing good understanding of both the rule and gun setups (their volatility) I think. Still with hipfires (non-grudge) I don't see how GT can ever be given

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https://epicmafia.com/game/4045266 join this game if you want to talk about this thread

VictoriaEldor

over 9 years

"If there is no threat to the Doctor" Threat to Doctor includes losing itself. Game modes that specifically cater to no-saving as a Doctor can't be used as an example without contradicting the no threat part.

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Also delete this thread before someone with cancer reads this thread and dies from the posts VictoriaEldor made.

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https://epicmafia.com/game/4045244 Voltron Doesn't Like It

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Voltron doesn't Like it or Basic Variant, pick one. I'm making.

Aesop

over 9 years

now we can play a sweeperless mafia game

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n1 saving in bv/b2ns/etc. isn't a controversial topic.

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https://epicmafia.com/game/4045225 1 more 1 more

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Slow says

i wonder why it is that only bad setups result in controversial thread topics such as this

Quick someone make a thread about saving n1 in B2NS.

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i wonder why it is that only bad setups result in controversial thread topics such as this

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Man-Hunt was comped and more often than not, the only thing the vig has to work with is everyone voting NL and not saying a word because they'll **** their pants if spy finds the killer when it's nigh inevitable they will anyways. It's also optimal for vig to shoot n1 in that scenario.

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VictoriaEldor says

Slow says

VictoriaEldor says

If there is no reason to use town resources, it is wasting a resource. It is essentially the same as a Doctor wasting a night action when they're safe to use it.

doc not docing isn't gamethrowing. hope this helps.

If there is no threat to the Doctor, but their ability can save a town; not using their ability to potentially save a town, is a throw.

zovea's really trying his hardest.

Satan

over 9 years

Slow says

Satan says

Slow says

i'm a butt doctor, and i'm here to say that you're all in pain.

butt doctor we need an emrgency butt transfer

*grabs stethoscope for butts* on my way

the transfer has failed doctor buttski i think you need to leave and go to proctology

Clair

over 9 years

VictoriaEldor says

Slow says

VictoriaEldor says

If there is no reason to use town resources, it is wasting a resource. It is essentially the same as a Doctor wasting a night action when they're safe to use it.

doc not docing isn't gamethrowing. hope this helps.

If there is no threat to the Doctor, but their ability can save a town; not using their ability to potentially save a town, is a throw.

saving someone n1 in B2NS hurts town more than it helps

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stfu ^