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Should hip-firing be GT?

over 9 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Yes

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keri says

Togepi says

keri says

r you ok devante you seem kinda frustrated.

Shh, adults are trying to have a conversation.

but you two are still wrong

i know u are but wat am i

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blacksnakemoan says

I like the idea of hipfiring, but not in ranked.

It's trolling at best, GTing at worst. Don't encourage it.

Glad someone took the hard hitting stance of "hip firing is bad"

blacksnakemoan

over 9 years

I like the idea of hipfiring, but not in ranked.

It's trolling at best, GTing at worst. Don't encourage it.

Togepi

over 9 years

vilden says

tbf hipfiring is really fun

Hipfiring is really fun.

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Togepi says

keri says

r you ok devante you seem kinda frustrated.

Shh, adults are trying to have a conversation.

but you two are still wrong

vilden

over 9 years

tbf hipfiring is really fun

justrec

over 9 years

omg you guys have been in this thread for HOURS, glad to know you all had a fine day today, like myself

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Devante says

helsinki says

If plausible deniability over intent is the issue then take away the option to even argue plausible deniability. You hip fired, now you get to sit in time out, I don't care why you did it

this is likely sarcastic, but this is how it should be moderated, just like almost every single violation (GRS, Copied mechanics, ERB, even to a degree spamming) are moderated.

Not even a tiny bit sarcastic

Togepi

over 9 years

keri says

r you ok devante you seem kinda frustrated.

Shh, adults are trying to have a conversation.

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keri says

r you ok devante you seem kinda frustrated.

i had a bad day time for u frickers to feel it

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helsinki says

If plausible deniability over intent is the issue then take away the option to even argue plausible deniability. You hip fired, now you get to sit in time out, I don't care why you did it

this is likely sarcastic, but this is how it should be moderated, just like almost every single violation (GRS, Copied mechanics, ERB, even to a degree spamming) are moderated.

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r you ok devante you seem kinda frustrated.

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If plausible deniability over intent is the issue then take away the option to even argue plausible deniability. You hip fired, now you get to sit in time out, I don't care why you did it

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If hip firing were moderated the same way as, say, copied mechanics this wouldn't be an issue. Rather than arguing over who had what reads or non reads you could just say "you did a bad thing that is against the rules". It could still be game throwing if someone had actual intent to not win.

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This is why if you suicide while in almost auto loss and claim that your stove was on fire or your internet cut out you get a violation, because the moderators cannot PROVE that your suicide/ veg was NOT game related much like they cannot prove your hipshot was NOT a grudge shot

jesus christ

Giga13

over 9 years

It's circumstantial, and thus ends the 50th should hipfiring be gt thread

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Devante says

Do

You

Realize

That

Most times

YOU CANNOT PROVE

IF someone is grudge shooting after day 1?

You cannot read their minds, that's why it should automatically be considered that they're grudge shooting since you literally could have NO other reason than to just arbitrarily want that person out of the game without a single read on them.

That's also why people are most likely never ever going to hipshoot their friends WHO CAN ALSO BE MAFIA

vilden

over 9 years

@devante sometimes you can. https://epicmafia.com/report/132422

Aesop

over 9 years

likewise

vilden

over 9 years

Aesop says

hipfiring is different in every game so just let the mods give whatever they want depending on how harsh they want to be

pretty much this. i'm just arguing cuz i'm gay

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keri says

hipfiring in YYC a second into the day as sheriff is a better example of hipfiring = gt in that case. a&d is more situational though.

In a&d you can always argue that you had a read because there was a day 1 before you could shoot, even if the read is ridiculous. It's the problem with moderating an objective action with violations that have subjective criteria

vilden

over 9 years

a grudge kill on anyone means the person didn't have any reason related to the actual game to want him dead. it's different in that case even while it narrows down the mafia

Aesop

over 9 years

i'm glad we're on the same page

vilden

over 9 years

aesop -- grudge shooting/lynching is 100% gt. so i agree buddy

Aesop

over 9 years

hipfiring is different in every game so just let the mods give whatever they want depending on how harsh they want to be