Epicmafia

Should hip-firing be GT?

over 10 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?

Yes

deletedover 10 years

Twist says

Then what would you classify as trolling?

hipfiring by definition of the violation is game throwing bro... lol

deletedover 10 years

Then what would you classify as trolling?

Togepi

over 10 years

Yes it is. Next.

GrudgeVote

over 10 years

Twist says

keri says

Its fine as trolling

This.

You aren't necessarily playing to lose when you're hipfiring, you're just showing a blatant disregard of the game which falls under trolling moreso than throwing.

"Intentionally playing against your win condition or not playing to win"

I imagine there is a reason why that "or" is there. Perhaps not actively trying to win is still game-throwing? or did they just put that in there to be redundant?

deletedover 10 years

keri says

Its fine as trolling

This.

You aren't necessarily playing to lose when you're hipfiring, you're just showing a blatant disregard of the game which falls under trolling moreso than throwing.

deletedover 10 years

Actually idk. It shouldn't be strictly trolling, either vio should be given based on the game

vilden

over 10 years

Devante says

never forgive.
never forget.

that was totally our 1st game and i think i was mad about something

GrudgeVote

over 10 years

vilden says

i was noted for GTing almost a year ago when I fos'd/shot a blue at start of D2 after rereading d1 at night

Ya well that is kinda up to interpretation. If D1 had content in it, and wasn't just a BP claim and nl situation, you should be able to shoot right away D2 without worrying about a GT vio.

deletedover 10 years

Its fine as trolling

vilden

over 10 years

i was noted for GTing almost a year ago when I fos'd/shot a blue at start of D2 after rereading d1 at night. d1 was prob 3 mins but i had a reason to fos that villager

deletedover 10 years

vilden that's proof af,

never forgive.
never forget.

deletedover 10 years

i just played a game in sandbox, how do ppl find that crap fun the mafia literally all claimed day 1 and got shot / lynched.

GrudgeVote

over 10 years

vilden says

no. if i'm town and decide to shoot someone i think is maf, i'm not trying to throw, i'm trying to shoot maf. if i hit a PR, i've made a mistake that may or may not have cost the game. it should actually be no vio from that reasoning; but then EVERYONE would hipfire. Games would suck balls. that's why it's a trolling vio

Nobody said anything about shooting a fos. Shooting a fos without asking for a claim is fine, and I don't see why anyone would get a violation for it.

That's pretty much the same as lynching an unccd PR claim because they are being obvious mafia and you don't want them to fish a role before they die.

What is never OK is shooting someone for no reason.

vilden

over 10 years

i didnt say that................. do u call that proof

Giga13

over 10 years

why does this thread get remade every month

deletedover 10 years

WOW u remembered my favourite pack, that's soo sweet, almost as sweet as skittles :)

but then again this happened...

i need an apology, im the most funnest mafia player to play with vilden