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Should hip-firing be GT?

over 9 years

This is not a complaint thread.

No mods have been injured in the making of this thread.

Parental discretion advised: contains gun violence.

I originally filed an appeal against Mist, mistakenly believing that hip-firing being GT was the precedent ruling. I had this mistaken assumption because the last time I was active on this site, that was the case.

It is now clear that my actual appeal is against the current precedent. Mist was merely basing the verdict on current precedent, and has made no mistake in handling the original report

To me this seems like a very black/white scenario. Shooting a gun for the sake of shooting a gun is a clear indication that you do not care about the outcome of the game. If you cared about the outcome of the game, you would try to shoot in such a way that benefits town.

The current precedent treats hip-firing as trolling. Is there any merit in this? Is someone who randomly fires a gun trying to antagonize anyone, or is it that they do not care about winning?

Helsinki has taken the bold stand against the current precedent, and I imagine that moderators are discussing this among themselves before the next vote is cast.

Lets help them make the right decision. >>>>>>>>>

Should hip-firing (shooting with no reads) be considered Game-throwing?
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Yes
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No
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mini-slow
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helsinki says

I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home


OK good. I assume it has the answer to my previous post.
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Its always been established trolling/GT unless people forgot all the hard work me and goodbar put into updating the precedent
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Sims says

https://epicmafia.com/user/398729#/ if you tell me who this is i'll give you head


wow good question.

i think togepi might be onto something
over 9 years
you're Slow Jr.
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Slow would never share his essay to the mods with the forum denizens because It's Us Against Them
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helsinki says


GrudgeVote says



I guess I misinterpreted that post

How is "I'm shooting the next person to talk" any different than shooting the first person to talk, or the first person on your gun meeting list, or someone you don't like?


As dumb as it is, just the demonstratable intent. Game throwing is an intent violation and the guy that shoots without saying anything has plausible deniability


OK, its acceptable to give a lesser violation where intent is unknown, but I would hate to see something like a "hip-firing" violation that makes people afraid to shoot without asking for a claim. I also don't like that giving a trolling violation implies that they had intent to antagonize someone. In a case of unknown intent, what is the solution?
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Sims says


helsinki says

I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home


that sounds like the kind of thing you used to make fun of slow for doing


Oooo...
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helsinki says


keri says


helsinki says


keri says

no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc


If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling


yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus


I think removing a player from the game goes a step beyond antagonizing


he did it for the lolz not b/c he had the intention of not winning the game
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helsinki says

I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home


that sounds like the kind of thing you used to make fun of slow for doing
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I'm gonna post my 4 post long essay on this when I get home
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keri says


helsinki says


keri says

no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc


If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling


yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus


I think removing a player from the game goes a step beyond antagonizing
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i really wish i had the game link but it was so obvious trolling
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helsinki says


keri says

no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc


If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling


yes he wanted to antagonize pranay. jesus
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keri says

no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc


If he shot him for being pranay, that's grudge shooting which is a game throw. If he shot pranay and said nothing, it's trolling
over 9 years
Okay so I'm not crazy in thinking that this is gting. Awesome.
over 9 years
so what you're saying is, mod devante
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no. giving someone a violation only based on the action of hipfiring is freaking stupid. other actions should also be looked @ and also previous vios ofc
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Devante says


keri says


Devante says


keri says


Devante says

gamethrowing is gamethrowing, shooting without reads is paying against your win condition which is gamethrowing. even if they're mafia, because if you hipfire without any single read by stastics alone, in every single setup you're more likely to hit town than mafia.


no


are u sure bout that? lol


yeah. reminds me of this game where retti was gunned bp and he hipfired pranay at daystart and it was still a town victory. it got a trolling violation and should've gotten a trolling vio b/c he did it since it was pranay and just wanted some lolz. it's just stupid to give people a gt violation every single time they random shoot b/c there's still a chance for town to win and if they don't abandon the chance to win they just deserve a trolling vio


that's gamethrowing, grudge voting is gamethrowing... that's grudge shooting, aka gamethrowing.. retti wasn't given a violation for it because he's friends with the mods


I was about to make this exact post
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i need to know for a friend
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IT'S SOMEONE ASIAN.
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https://epicmafia.com/user/398729#/ if you tell me who this is i'll give you head
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keri says


Devante says


keri says


Devante says

gamethrowing is gamethrowing, shooting without reads is paying against your win condition which is gamethrowing. even if they're mafia, because if you hipfire without any single read by stastics alone, in every single setup you're more likely to hit town than mafia.


no


are u sure bout that? lol


yeah. reminds me of this game where retti was gunned bp and he hipfired pranay at daystart and it was still a town victory. it got a trolling violation and should've gotten a trolling vio b/c he did it since it was pranay and just wanted some lolz. it's just stupid to give people a gt violation every single time they random shoot b/c there's still a chance for town to win and if they don't abandon the chance to win they just deserve a trolling vio


that's gamethrowing, grudge voting is gamethrowing... that's grudge shooting, aka gamethrowing.. retti wasn't given a violation for it because he's friends with the mods
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The real answer to the "is hip firing trolling or game throwing?" debate is that it's neither, but nobody responded to my essay on the mod forums about why so
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there are varying degrees of hipfiring and the ones that are most likely to be given trolling are like shooting really early in A&D off of day 1 reads