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deletedover 10 years

I would like to have a thought provoking and civil conversation about ISIS.....what you think will stop them, what will make it worse. Please make this a civil and appropriate discussion. i am looking for a good conversation not a flame war.

deletedover 10 years

runwithfire says

Here's a hint- religion is a recruiting tool, and their motivations are political


This has always been the case, too

It doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong, but they're using religion for all the wrong reasons
nice
over 10 years

Grannie says


nice says


Grannie says


runwithfire says


Grannie says


runwithfire says

Edit: No, this is definitely hate speech


Is it though? It's a discussion about the role of Islam in the Islamic State problem.



Grannie says

We shouldn't be afraid of them. We just need to work towards ridding the world of their poisonous ideologies.





Rid the world of their ideology, not rid the world of the people who believe the ideology. It stands to reason if there was no Islam there would be no Islamic State.


And you don't think it wouldn't just be another terrorist group unaffiliated with religion? without religion, there are no more extremists? no more terrorists?


Well I don't see many atheist terrorist groups around, do you?


Well. 80% of the world is religious, so it would make sense that a majority of people that make up any group are religious
AsbelLhant
over 10 years
Because you're getting trolled nice. Holy heck
runwithfire
over 10 years
Here's a hint- religion is a recruiting tool, and their motivations are political
deletedover 10 years
Everyone knows how ETA were really Islamist militants merely pretending to be bombing people for a Basque homeland, and the Khmer Rouge murdered 25% of their male population because of strict adherence to the Koran.
nice
over 10 years
Why don't you just say "if there was a button to get rid of ISIS, I would" instead of choosing to get rid of a religion that preaches love and charity?
Grannie
over 10 years

nice says


Grannie says


runwithfire says


Grannie says


runwithfire says

Edit: No, this is definitely hate speech


Is it though? It's a discussion about the role of Islam in the Islamic State problem.



Grannie says

We shouldn't be afraid of them. We just need to work towards ridding the world of their poisonous ideologies.





Rid the world of their ideology, not rid the world of the people who believe the ideology. It stands to reason if there was no Islam there would be no Islamic State.


And you don't think it wouldn't just be another terrorist group unaffiliated with religion? without religion, there are no more extremists? no more terrorists?


Well I don't see many atheist terrorist groups around, do you?
AsbelLhant
over 10 years
the world being easier wouldn't make it a better place
nice
over 10 years

Grannie says


runwithfire says


Grannie says


runwithfire says

Edit: No, this is definitely hate speech


Is it though? It's a discussion about the role of Islam in the Islamic State problem.



Grannie says

We shouldn't be afraid of them. We just need to work towards ridding the world of their poisonous ideologies.





Rid the world of their ideology, not rid the world of the people who believe the ideology. It stands to reason if there was no Islam there would be no Islamic State.


And you don't think it wouldn't just be another terrorist group unaffiliated with religion? without religion, there are no more extremists? no more terrorists?
deletedover 10 years

AsbelLhant says

easier != better


I understand, but can you expand what you mean in terms of what we're speaking of?
AsbelLhant
over 10 years
easier != better
Grannie
over 10 years

Rutab says

If everyone stopped believing in all religion this world would be a hell of a lot easier


It would, I 100% agree with you on that one.
runwithfire
over 10 years
No, that's not how terrorism works
deletedover 10 years
I'm not saying to stop believing any form of religion considering I am an agnostic Christian, but if you look at all forms of war, religion is definitely a huge factor in most of them
deletedover 10 years
If there was no Islamic State, there'd be a Khmer Rouge instead.
Grannie
over 10 years

runwithfire says


Grannie says


runwithfire says

Edit: No, this is definitely hate speech


Is it though? It's a discussion about the role of Islam in the Islamic State problem.



Grannie says

We shouldn't be afraid of them. We just need to work towards ridding the world of their poisonous ideologies.





Rid the world of their ideology, not rid the world of the people who believe the ideology. It stands to reason if there was no Islam there would be no Islamic State.
deletedover 10 years
Let's start by banning the Republicans and go from there
runwithfire
over 10 years
Now we're talking
deletedover 10 years
If everyone stopped believing in all religion this world would be a hell of a lot easier
deletedover 10 years
Politics has always been the primary method of fueling war. If we eradicate religion, we should eradicate politics too.
deletedover 10 years
Ok, so what is your opinion on Atheism? Or Buddhism? Or any other religion/belief that is not Christianity?
Grannie
over 10 years
That said if I could push a button and magically everyone would stop believing in Islam I would do it in a heartbeat.
UniversalStudios
over 10 years
"Religion" used to be the primary method of fueling war because there's few things people hold in higher esteem. Imagine that applying to a "Religious" state and people abusing the power "religion" has over people to get them to move.

Even George Bush called upon "god" when advocating for war.
Grannie
over 10 years

Rutab says

Eradicating Islam = eradicating Muslims. Tell me, how would you get an entire religion to convert from their life-long beliefs? What if they refuse? Throw them in prison? But wait, wouldn't that also be taking away their freedom of belief?

Man, what a horrible opinion.


Well my hope is that one day more people will question their own beliefs and realise that the Quran isn't the word of God and that subscribing to an ideology based on false premises is the wrong way to live your life.

I never said I wanted to force anyone to change their mind. My hope is that they'd do it on their own.
deletedover 10 years

Grannie says


runwithfire says

Edit: No, this is definitely hate speech


Is it though? It's a discussion about the role of Islam in the Islamic State problem.


Answer me Grannie, I want an idea of your exact thoughts on how you plan on eradicating the idea of Islam