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I would like to have a thought provoking and civil conversation about ISIS.....what you think will stop them, what will make it worse. Please make this a civil and appropriate discussion. i am looking for a good conversation not a flame war.

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We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it
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Satan says


Grannie says


Satan says

I'm taking history of world religions don't mess with me.


Well you called me stupid for saying I want to eradicate Islam. I guess my question is, why wouldn't you want to? Unless you're a Muslim I can't see how you think that these billion people following all these writings from an imaginary God is a good thing for the world. Giving women no rights, wrapping them head to toe in cloth and beating them if they object, stoning gay people and heretics and adulterers, etc.

Wouldn't you stop all of them believing this nonsense if you somehow had the chance?


what gives you the right to make that judgement? I'm an atheist, more specifically, an apatheist, but that doesn't give me the right to keep others from believing in whatever it is they believe in. if you do that, you are doing exactly what other religions do, and that is trying to push your belief that there is no god on others.


That's not what I said. It's not about forcing them to believe or not believe anything.

There's a button in front of you. If you push it, all muslims across thew world will instantly stop believing in Islam and the Quran and instead embrace rational thinking and logic in determining their beliefs.

So would you push it?
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nice says

i'm actually not sure what teachings you're talking about, and who the mass-murdering pedophile polygynist is, but in the case that you were talking about islam, what i was trying to say is that you shouldn't invalidate a religion that can be good just bc it was preached/created (not sure which bc i stil have no idea who you're talking about). it wasnt an attack chill


Especially considering that we westerners have been conditioned to dislike and distrust Muslims and Islam "because we're at war with them". Not even sure why people are having this discussion without understanding why we're at odds in the first place.
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It is also incredibly dumb to kill someone because they drew a political cartoon you don't like
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Grannie says

Well I don't see many atheist terrorist groups around, do you?



Grannie says

"nobody kills in the name of atheism."



Grannie says

You're talking about Pol Pot somehow killing in the name of atheism. I'm not responding to your childish strawman arguments


It's almost like I directly proved you wrong...
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ISIS is being funded by the US government. all the US wants is the rights to claim the lands ISIS has for oil
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oh right i m dumb lol
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He was referring to the Prophet Mohammed, Nice.
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Rutab says


Peta says


Rutab says

Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading


How can that possibly be the conclusion you've drawn about his posts?


Never mind it, I'm probably wrong, but that's just the vibe I've been getting


Yeah sorry you are wrong. I'm an atheist, in case you didn't notice. I share the same animosity towards Christianity as I do to Islam. It's just that Islam seems to be a more dangerous ideology and it's also the current topic.
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Grannie says


Satan says

I'm taking history of world religions don't mess with me.


Well you called me stupid for saying I want to eradicate Islam. I guess my question is, why wouldn't you want to? Unless you're a Muslim I can't see how you think that these billion people following all these writings from an imaginary God is a good thing for the world. Giving women no rights, wrapping them head to toe in cloth and beating them if they object, stoning gay people and heretics and adulterers, etc.

Wouldn't you stop all of them believing this nonsense if you somehow had the chance?


what gives you the right to make that judgement? I'm an atheist, more specifically, an apatheist, but that doesn't give me the right to keep others from believing in whatever it is they believe in. if you do that, you are doing exactly what other religions do, and that is trying to push your belief that there is no god on others.
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I feel like I definitely stretched that thought, but Grannie continually calling Islamic beliefs nonsense, and calling the words of God absolute law all in the same posts, it makes you think
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Peta says


nice says


Peta says

Well, you have to admit - it is pretty darn racist to tell someone else that they are wrong to follow the teachings of a mass-murdering pedophile polygynist.



Peta says


nice says

moral absolutism


You probably don't know what that term means.


is that it :O


It takes a very special person to swat aside objections to mass murder, pedophilia, and polygyny with cries of "Moral absolutism!" but fortunately for everyone in this thread we need not test our sanity with seriously engaging you, because zero modern moral philosophers with an ounce of credibility to their name - except maybe MacIntyre, who's pretty bad - have defended relativism.


i'm actually not sure what teachings you're talking about, and who the mass-murdering pedophile polygynist is, but in the case that you were talking about islam, what i was trying to say is that you shouldn't invalidate a religion that can be good just bc it was preached/created (not sure which bc i stil have no idea who you're talking about) by someone who was bad. it wasnt an attack chill
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Peta says


Rutab says

Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading


How can that possibly be the conclusion you've drawn about his posts?


I think you should reread all her posts.
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Rutab says


Peta says


Rutab says

Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading


How can that possibly be the conclusion you've drawn about his posts?


Never mind it, I'm probably wrong, but that's just the vibe I've been getting


I don't see what's wrong with that conclusion
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Pol Pot killed people for believing in a God. That is a fact, Grannie, that you can't run from.
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Peta says


Rutab says

Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading


How can that possibly be the conclusion you've drawn about his posts?


Never mind it, I'm probably wrong, but that's just the vibe I've been getting
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Lashka says

Looks like Grannie has run away.


We're talking about Islam and other religions, you're talking about Pol Pot somehow killing in the name of atheism. I'm not responding to your childish strawman arguments, we're having real discussions here, sorry lol.
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Grannie says


Satan says

I'm taking history of world religions don't mess with me.


Well you called me stupid for saying I want to eradicate Islam. I guess my question is, why wouldn't you want to? Unless you're a Muslim I can't see how you think that these billion people following all these writings from an imaginary God is a good thing for the world. Giving women no rights, wrapping them head to toe in cloth and beating them if they object, stoning gay people and heretics and adulterers, etc.

Wouldn't you stop all of them believing this nonsense if you somehow had the chance?


Every "religion" has been used to weaponize people, however weaponization of people is not the core of religion. Taking God away from people so that "god" can't be used against people wont actually solve your problem.
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Rutab says

Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading


How can that possibly be the conclusion you've drawn about his posts?
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Grannie's arguments are all void because of the soft push of condemning anyone believing anything different than Christianity, I actually find it almost degrading
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I remember when I was in Turkey and Egypt, I was astounded by the fact I couldn't see any women, just these sacks of cloth that men used as punchbags.
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nice says


Peta says

Well, you have to admit - it is pretty darn racist to tell someone else that they are wrong to follow the teachings of a mass-murdering pedophile polygynist.



Peta says


nice says

moral absolutism


You probably don't know what that term means.


is that it :O


It takes a very special person to swat aside objections to mass murder, pedophilia, and polygyny with cries of "Moral absolutism!" but fortunately for everyone in this thread we need not test our sanity with seriously engaging you, because zero modern moral philosophers with an ounce of credibility to their name - except maybe MacIntyre, who's pretty bad - have defended relativism.
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Benny that's still political.
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Satan says

I'm taking history of world religions don't mess with me.


Well you called me stupid for saying I want to eradicate Islam. I guess my question is, why wouldn't you want to? Unless you're a Muslim I can't see how you think that these billion people following all these writings from an imaginary God is a good thing for the world. Giving women no rights, wrapping them head to toe in cloth and beating them if they object, stoning gay people and heretics and adulterers, etc.

Wouldn't you stop all of them believing this nonsense if you somehow had the chance?
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Probably because nobody actually follows "Animism" as it's a blanket term for thousands of different religions.