I would like to have a thought provoking and civil conversation about ISIS.....what you think will stop them, what will make it worse. Please make this a civil and appropriate discussion. i am looking for a good conversation not a flame war.
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Religions are basically always based on the prevailing beliefs at that time and the basis of Islam and Allah (PBUH) was crafted during a time of military upheaval in the Arabian Peninsula so yeah, it's not a surprise that a militaristic God was forged to suit their expanding empire.
if isis goes to italy they're gonna get annihilated by the italian mafia lol
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itd help if our government didnt help fund them
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That is not really true at all. A lot of people are using that argument but it is a false one.
It is not just extremist islam that holds those beliefs. Sure not all muslims practice it as radically as isis does, but islam as a whole is based from a man who started his religion with an army conquering city by city and converting people by force. Saying that all of islam is not like that is a false statement. Islam is based off of that. If you ever read the quran you would know that. Obama was quick to talk about the crusades but failed to mention that the crusades were a reaction to the islamic conquests into europe in which the above listen things happend (conversion by the sword, slaughtering of non believers).
Look at it in contrast to Christianity. Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine, Christianity was started by a real man who really was crucified. According to biblical accounts he advocated peace and turning the other cheek not building an army to defeat the Romans or non believers.
Well yeah before there were a whole load of splinter cells (al qaeda/taliban/hezbollah/boko haram/hamas). Now there are all those plus ISIS, and many of their fighters are traveling to join and fight with ISIS, just as many muslims around the world are doing the same. Islamic State is just a bigger version of all other self-proclaimed caliphates, and they don't mess around when it comes to torturing people and putting it on liveleak to try and rally support for their cause.
Extremism is just more extreme religion. They literally believe every word of their holy book and are willing to die defending their beliefs. It's like if some guy tried to stone his kids to death becuase the bible says that's ok, we wouldn't sit around respecting his religious beliefs, society would lock the nutcase up in an asylum.
ISIS adherants believe that you, Giga13, should die, because their holy book says you're an infidel. We're a bit beyond "lets not infringe on their views".
Yeah but where was ISIS before? This is just absolute terrorism on all those who oppose them with no purpose other than to gain more followers and spread
Religion isn't the problem here, the extremism is. It is not right to infringe on other people's serious religious views and grounds and ISIS obviously crossed the line, which makes them extremists and immoral by default. It's possible to have religion without extremism clearly because there has been religion for a very long time
The US is gonna hold out from interfering in this as long as possible because the last thing anyone in that country wants is for them to get involved in another war. Hell they're still recovering from the last two they were in
The biggest problem is the beliefs of the people doing the fighting. This is a war between many sides, all of whom believe that if they die as a martyr while conducting jihad, that they will go to jannah (paradise). Moderate muslims may not believe this, that's why they don't support suicide bombing, but in doing so they are ignoring pretty large chunks of the quran that specifically say it's ok.
On the other hand, extremists (aka ISIS) believe the quran literally is the word of god. The killing of nonbelievers is OK, fight in the name of jihad you get 2 tickets to paradise, etc. They are the islamic equivalent of westboro baptist church, but just more murder-ey.
ISIS are winning because they don't care how many of their own die. they think it doesn't matter. When they invade the corner of the middle east that you happen to live on you have 2 choices, convert to their radical views and support them, or die. Many choose to go down fighting, they likely believe the same thing about paradise that their ISIS counterparts do.
Being at war + believing you have life after death because your holy book said so + weapons = recipe for disaster. If you're a christian reading this you might take offence at that middle one there. I'm really sorry to say, but you also believe in your own holy book that's in all likelihood equally wrong. Bottom line is this religion has to stop and we have to somehow change people's way of thinking such that they understand how logic and evidence work to see that their faiths are wrong. In the meantime the only solution may be to just let them keep killing each other.
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my participation would definitely have to be described as half-mast.
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Sarcasm? You don't have to stay if you don't want to participate enthusiastically. :P :P :)
ISIS like other radical groups or dictatorships, always has the United States and others to blame. As long as they do, it gives them a legitimate rallying cry to their people. Cuba is a good example of this. Castro has stayed in power for as long as he has in part becuase he is able to blame the U.S for causing their poverty and economic troubles (the embargo). As soon as that is gone, there would be nothing else for him to blame and the people would catch on and throw him out.
One argument I have thus heard (not my opinion but one I know of) is that the U.S should back out of any military action against ISIS. Other nations around Iraq and Syria will be more eager to deal with it because those countries share the border with Iraq and/or Syria. Eventually the reasonable muslims will get sick of the radicals and put them down or they will elect a dictator who will.
As evil and awful as Saddam was, he also kept radical sunni groups and other radical militant groups from forming. The U.S mistake was overthrowing that balance by getting rid of Saddam's regime.
